1911s Suck!

[RED VASQUEZ]

I can't believe one guy in a goofy shirt's youtube video about his opinions on handguns got this many people riled up. As far as 1911 vs. Glock threads go this ones a juggernaut.

[DTOM CA!]

1911 guys crack me up. Got into a argument the other day about how my .45 was not a true 1911. Who cares. It reminds me of Harley owners. There is Harley Davidson motorcycles and everything else. Criticize anything about those bikes and them is fightin words ! This guy gives his opinion based on his experience and you guys get your feathers ruffled.

[kb58]

It seems to have boiled down to:
James: Based upon my experience seeing people fire 15 million rounds, the 1911 is unreliable.
1911 owners: Oh yeah, well your shirt is stupid.

That pretty much sums up the thread.

[Lead Waster]

Off topic slightly, but I found it odd that he didn't manage to drive the car away. It's a stick shift and he specifically put it out of gear and set the handbrake because his clutch leg was getting cramped. For me, when I drive stick, it's automatic to clutch-in and change gears when I want to get going. I never suddenly forget that the car is stick shift and think that for some reason it's an automatic and in park. Even in an automatic, if it's in Drive, your foot would be on the brake.

BUT I've never driven a car while being shot at either, but on the other-other-hand, I'm not paid to drive under fire like he was.


I won't bag on his choice of shirt OR his actions on that day since I've not been in his shoes (or his shirt). I sort of agree on his point that 1911's are a actually really more like "guns using the 1911 design" made by many manufacturers and the mismatch of magazines is a big problem compared to, say, a Glock that is made by one company to one set of specs, and using magazines supplied by the same company.

[DRAB_81]

It seems to have boiled down to:
James: Based upon my experience seeing people fire 15 million rounds, the 1911 is unreliable.
1911 owners: Oh yeah, well your shirt is stupid.

That pretty much sums up the thread.

Regardless of his choice of attire, and some of you guys armchair quarterbacking the guy, I agree with 99% of what I've seen him say on video. Just because you don't like his shirt, or think he made some mistakes, doesn't make him wrong.

[fullspeed1]

Definitely off topic, But it's related to James company and a course they offer. There are a couple of Santa Clara County Paramedics in this particular class. Not sure if you will be able to get this kind of training around here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghlQ3Ouy_hQ&feature=related

[Lead Waster]

^^ You know, even if his training methods are unorthodox or whatever, that video of the training looks like one heckova lot of fun, especially for a guy who plans never to be in a real gunfight, and certainly not one like that!

[teflondog]

I probably watched all of James Yeager's videos and while I disagree with him on some topics, he makes a lot of good points. His best videos are the one on OODA Loop and another one about home defense tips. He gets hundreds of emails (including hate mail) everyday but he still takes the time to reply to all of them. I asked him what caliber he recommends for CA residents since the 9mm capacity advantage doesn't apply here. He said if capacity is equal, then it all comes down to what you shoot better.

[fullspeed1]

^^ You know, even if his training methods are unorthodox or whatever, that video of the training looks like one heckova lot of fun, especially for a guy who plans never to be in a real gunfight, and certainly not one like that!

Lead, He offers a great service to anyone willing to learn. Training is training, No matter who teaches it, Some are more intense and realistic than others.

Here's a clip from a CC Direct action class, And on my list to attend. This is not your average static paper punching training range...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLZL8wtuRmA

[g17owner]

Do I sense a bromance? LOL

[fullspeed1]

Do I sense a bromance? LOL

No more room in my life for that, Got plenty of it at work

[Freq18Hz]

This is just a publicity stunt, albeit well spoken with some well defined points.

Unfortunately, the 1911 was never manufactured by artistan gunsmiths, nor was it designed to be. It was a mass produced pistol that has been tested over a much, much longer period. So if this guy wants to get into tolerance stacking, he should take into account the much larger sample size over a longer period of time of the 1911.

Glocks are already starting to decline in quality, with well documented reliability hiccups lately.

I think a better way to prove a point instead of citing his resume, would be to take an off the shelf 1911, rapid fire a few mags through it, and then he can stand in front of it with a heavy duty kevlar vest on.

In all seriousness, he is well spoken, and I respect his opinion. My own experience has been different, the first FTF, FTE, and stove pipe were all with glocks. All 9mm, and off the shelf.

-Freq

[Anchors]

I don't think I'm in a position to critique his "battlefield actions".
I would imagine most of the people here doing so are the same as I am.
Note: I said most, not all.
I know some of the guys on this forum are the "real deal". But I'm not and a lot of these guys commenting probably are not either.

I don't know much about him other than what I have read here. I'm not a long time fan or something. But I would say he's been places and seen things most of us never will and if you haven't, you probably can't comment on how "you would have done it".

I can tell you what I HOPE I would do, but I can't say that I know for a fact when the SHTF, that my brain/body would oblige.

[InGrAM]

I'll simply say this.... anyone talks badly about glocks and SHTF, the same goes for 1911's but the 1911 has had 100+ years of constant service with military/police/gun nuts/etc... The glock platform will reach 100+ years, of that I have no doubt but the 1911 will have 170+ years under it's belt and will still be running strong. Well, as long as Americans can still buy firearms....

The 1911 is the "gun nuts" pistol. People that don't appreciate firearms for more than a simple "SHTF" gun will never understand that... Period... You can always have your glock "type" pistol and everyone should, IMO.... It doesn't mean that you shouldn't or can't own four or five 1911's..... Because trust me... they are worth owning. Some people simply love to hate what others love and have proven to be a quality product...

[bubbagump]

I don't think I'm in a position to critique his "battlefield actions".
I would imagine most of the people here doing so are the same as I am.
Note: I said most, not all.
I know some of the guys on this forum are the "real deal". But I'm not and a lot of these guys commenting probably are not either.

I don't know much about him other than what I have read here. I'm not a long time fan or something. But I would say he's been places and seen things most of us never will and if you haven't, you probably can't comment on how "you would have done it".

I can tell you what I HOPE I would do, but I can't say that I know for a fact when the SHTF, that my brain/body would oblige.

Its not about his actions in the video. Its not about whether the 1911 is better than the Glock or vice versa. Its about this guys credentials and "Valued Opinions".

This guys reputation is tainted because he wrote an AAR that slandered dead men and blamed the whole outcome of the ambush on his team mates.

When other people who have been in that line of business say he is a scumbag, I am inclined to believe them. Especially given the video footage and AAR's that are readily available online.

Why would I want to go to this guys school? His opinion is as useful as Tex Grebners. The only guy on youtube worth watching in my opinion is Hickock45. That guy stays in his lane.

Here is an article from the Sydney Morning Herald:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/A-brutal-death-in-Baghdads-gridlock/2005/06/07/1118123840058.html

If you scroll to the bottom of that article you will find this:

"Chris was wounded through the leg first. But instead of [trying to get away from the cars], he spent the last seconds of his life telling Johno about it [until] he took another round through the throat and another through his head."

That is from Yeagers AAR. People who say **** like that are ******** in my book.

Then to add to it, this guy employs an instructor who claims to have been a Navy SEAL. He goes by the name Ben Thomas:

Dear POW Network,

Please pass this information along in response to the inquiry regarding Mr. Benjamin "Ben" Thomas and his claims of being a US Navy SEAL. I greatly appreciate your interest in upholding the honor of the US Navy SEAL Teams, and your search for the TRUTH. Before answering your questions I must make clear that I am a private individual, not affiliated with the US Dept. of Defense or any other government organization. I am one of about a dozen men in America who possess a copy of the SEAL Database, a comprehensive and regularly updated listing of all men who trained and served with the Naval Special Warfare units (SEALs, UDT, NCDU, S&R) from the end of WWII to the present day. I also have access to archival sources who can verify/deny claims of service DURING WWII. As a former US Navy SEAL myself, I am fully familiar with the NSW training program and the standard operating procedures used by the Teams, as well as an in-depth personal knowledge of many of the 'insider' events and incidents which UDT "Frogmen" and SEALs offer as a part of their bona fides.

My efforts to expose SEAL imposters are performed free of charge, as a service to the public, and in honor of my SEAL Teammates who gave their lives in service to our nation… men who truly earned the right to the title "US NAVY SEAL" but who are no longer able to stand forward in defense of their honor, their reputations, and their TEAMs.

The email letter which was sent to Brian Kilmeade (a copy of which you included in your email to the POW Network) contains all of the essential information in this case as it relates to Mr. THOMAS' involvement with the Naval Special Warfare (NSW) community. Mr. THOMAS graduated from BUD/S training with Class 211 and DID complete SEAL Qualification Training (SQT), but did not successfully complete his subsequent probationary period and he was never granted SEAL status by the award of a Naval Enlisted Classification (NEC) code of 5326. Although he completed the basic training program and was briefly assigned to a SEAL Team, he did not pass his final evaluation and transition to 'Operator' status and thus was never officially/formally a SEAL. Any statements by him to the contrary are inaccurate. The author of that email letter to Brian Kilmeade has far more information regarding Mr. THOMAS than is available in the SEAL Database, and I cannot comment regarding the accuracy of the information as it relates to Mr. THOMAS' military career after leaving the NSW community.

I am including the NAVAL SPECIAL WARFARE ARCHIVES (NSWA) as an information addressee on this letter in order that they may be made aware of the details of Mr. THOMAS' activities. Thank you for taking the time to bring this matter to our attention, and for your assistance in maintaining the honor and integrity of the US Navy SEAL Teams.


Respectfully,
Steve Robinson
USN 1970-1978
SEAL Team ONE
Inshore Undersea Warfare Group ONE
UDT-SEAL Association - Member
Special Operations Association - Member
POW Network Advisory Board
Naval Special Warfare Archives - SOF Analyst/Contributing Journalist
Disabled American Veterans - Life Member
FORMER Special Investigator - SEAL Authentication Team
Author of the book NO GUTS, NO GLORY - Unmasking Navy SEAL Imposters

Here is a little testimonial Ben Thomas left for SOE Gear:

I've taken John Willis's gear into harm's way since 1997. First while in the Navy at SEAL Team and then as a Security Contractor in Iraq and Afghanistan. OG SOE Gear is my number one choice for tactical gear for war. I cannot rely on his competitors cheap knockoffs when rolling deep in the Bad Lands.
John Willis is the master, everyone else is just making ****ty reproductions.
He takes care of the boys at the pointy end of the spear first and often out of his own pocket.
Everything J.W. makes is custom...
- Ben Thomas, former US Navy SEAL and private security contractor

So not only is Yeagers background questionable, he also employs instructors that claim to be SEAL Operators.

Nice