Does round count really matter these days?

[SilverTauron]

Ive wondered about this being used as a criterion for the worth of a pistol.

I have seen firearms in person that looked like crap on the outside but had little to no breech wear marks on the slide, and ive seen shiny pistols that look like a coal mine internally . A gun with 10,000 rounds that's been cleaned and oiled with springs properly maintained is a much better buy than a piece with 1000 rounds that's never been cleaned or maintained with the factory lube still in the weapon.

Using "round count" as a buying criterion can cause problems where sellers state that gun has "less than 100 rounds through it!" , but the piece has less than 100 rounds because the extractor was jacked up from the factory and the owner never bothered to fix it. Beware what you wish for, as the saying goes.

[blakdawg]

I don't keep track of how many rounds go through each of my guns and it's hard to imagine someone who shoots a lot and enjoys it doing so - at least for the types of guns I enjoy. The idea that someone's going to keep track of "round count" for a modern polymer pistol like a Glock/Springfield/S&W is ludicrous to me. If my $500 pistol breaks after I've shot $10,000 worth of ammo, do I give a ****? No. Same thing for AR's and AK's.

The cost of a modern polymer pistol or assault rifle, compared to the cost of ammo, equipment, time, travel, training, range time, and everything else associated with shooting, is comparatively small. If a modern gun costs $500 and is good for 50,000 rounds, that means the equipment cost is $.01 per round. If some random seller understates the "round count" for his gun by 2500 rounds, that's $25. I've spent that much on gas driving to an FFL to complete a transfer.

[Blackhawk556]

I think it matters but I think it matters to much for some people. I was selling a great gun last week that only had 1500 rounds through it and people kept trying to low ball me because of it. I think 1500 rounds is nothing but I think it might seem high since lots of buyers never put 1500 rounds down range in their lifetime. They just want a safe queen like a guy buying a jeep with rock tires to go to the mall.

For some reason 1,500 does seem to push people away. When talking about having something reliable, 50,000 rounds seems to break in a pistol just fine.


Sent from Los Alamos Nuclear Facility

[chim-chim7]

For some reason 1,500 does seem to push people away. When talking about having something reliable, 50,000 rounds seems to break in a pistol just fine.


Sent from Los Alamos Nuclear Facility

I guess you not suprised either when someone thinks 1,500 rounds and the gun is worn out. I actually had one member say to me, "you put 1,500 rounds on that gun in one year'? That's a lot. Then asked me a page worth of questions on how it was maintained. What ammo I used. What lube was used. My cleaning procedure, my method for field stripped the gun. How was it stored? Was it shot indoors or outdoors. Did I ever rapid fire it? Any broken parts? Ever use reloads? Ever been dropped? Ever had a round jam? Is there any rifeling left in the barrel? Were the extra mags stored with rounds in them? Was a mag stored inside the gun? Plus about 10 more useless questions. I knew if I answered his questions I would get another 20 questions back.

I only responed with "this gun is not for you, you might want to look at new guns".

[DrewTheBrave]

I use it as a check on the seller's honesty. If they tell me that it's only had 200 rounds down the pipe, and the wear patterns tell me differently, then I know that the seller cannot be trusted and I'm less likely to buy that item.

Tell me honestly or tell me you don't know if you don't. Don't try to blow smoke up my plumber's crack as that'll cost you the sale.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[sephy]

I guess you not suprised either when someone thinks 1,500 rounds and the gun is worn out. I actually had one member say to me, "you put 1,500 rounds on that gun in one year'? That's a lot. Then asked me a page worth of questions on how it was maintained. What ammo I used. What lube was used. My cleaning procedure, my method for field stripped the gun. How was it stored? Was it shot indoors or outdoors. Did I ever rapid fire it? Any broken parts? Ever use reloads? Ever been dropped? Ever had a round jam? Is there any rifeling left in the barrel? Were the extra mags stored with rounds in them? Was a mag stored inside the gun? Plus about 10 more useless questions. I knew if I answered his questions I would get another 20 questions back.

I only responed with "this gun is not for you, you might want to look at new guns".

Hahaha I like that. I know if I ever tried to sell my CZ it would be the same story. Good thing I vowed to never sell a gun again!

[den888]

It provides only part of the picture. You should ask if there have been repairs, parts have been replaced and if it has ever been sent back to the factory for anything, such as a warranty recall.

[Speedpower]

How can it be proven that it only have 50 rounds through the gun?

[CSACANNONEER]

I've got a handgun in lockdown right now. The seller told me that he was the second owner and only put 50 rounds through it before deciding to part with it. I happen to believe him. The gun looks new. He's a lifetime contributor here. He really had no reason to lie about it and, the simple fact is that I DID NOT CARE. I would have given him the whole $90 he was asking for his .380 HP even if it had 10K through it.

[cannon]

Round count does not matter tome. Condition does.

Most folks have no idea how many rounds they have shot through a gun I know I don't.

[Mickey D]

If it checks out ok, i don't care how many rounds it's seen. I buy used guns almost exclusively and have no idea the round count. I dont keep track of how many rounds I shoot either.

^^ Exactly

Condition and care are evident when inspecting a firearm. I don't care about round count. In every other forum I visit, few mention or consider round count being a factor, except here.

[USMC 82-86]

I recently traded one of my G19's for a Beretta 92 FS and the G19 I traded had a little over 500 rounds down the pipe and the Beretta had at least that many if not more. I would not hesitate to use either in a home defense situation. Both guns run smooth and show very little in terms of any wear. I have never been concerned about round count unless this is going to be a gun I plan to run hard and often but even then that number has to be pretty high. I have another G19 that has a little over 6,000 rounds through it and it would be hard for most people to find any wear other than the contact area between the top of the barrel hood and the slide and that is minimal even now. The recoil spring and trigger are still going strong.

I have one last note about round count even if a gun has 10,000 rounds through her based on the use by most shooters on this site they will never reach the expected life of that gun. I see people at the range and hear people here state that they may shoot 500 rounds in a year if they are lucky. If you are one of those people you will never reach a round count even close to approaching the life of that gun. I shoot between 150-300 rounds everytime I go to the range and at times I will shoot more. I take good care of all my guns and that helps to maintain the operation of that weapon as well as the physical appearance of my guns. I forgot to mention the G19 has yet to have a failure in a little over 6,000 rounds. The Beretta 92 I just picked up already has 350 rounds through it plus the 100 rounds I put through it on Feb 4th the day I traded for this gun and I just picked it up on Valentine's day. The Beretta as I mentioned was used and I am now the third owner with no real idea of the round count, but between myself and the last owner it has at least 950+ rounds through her but it runs like a champ.

[12voltguy]

Yep, per unwritten calgun's rules: anything over 200 rounds is not marketable on calguns. At 201 rounds, all guns loose 50-75% of their value. But, if a gun only has 50 rounds through it, one is supposed to ask MSRP plus 20% for it since, it's proven to work and "not even broken in yet".

that is what I see
& people pay it.....lol

[shooterdude]

I only buy used guns from the French...they are typically only fired once or twice but dropped a few times...

[c3 rolling]

I'm buying a non rail SA TRP with 1500 honest rounds tomorrow from a co worker. It's been flawless and already broken in so I'm paying premium (1,300 + dros) . When I see super low round counts on the marketplace, I think two things.

1. Seller does not like the gun enough to shoot it, hence selling.
2. Seller had problems with the gun, hence selling.

You would have to be a real retard to keep shooting a pistol into the 1000+ round counts when it has unresolved issues.