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  • Blackhawk556
    Veteran Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 4202

    Does round count really matter these days?

    With all the advancements manufactures have done in the last 10-20 years does it really matter? The reason I ask is because every time someone doesn't post a rounds count on a for sale gun, 10 people ask the same question.

    How many rounds down the pipe?



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    CSACANNONEER
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    • Dec 2006
    • 44093

    Yep, per unwritten calgun's rules: anything over 200 rounds is not marketable on calguns. At 201 rounds, all guns loose 50-75% of their value. But, if a gun only has 50 rounds through it, one is supposed to ask MSRP plus 20% for it since, it's proven to work and "not even broken in yet".
    Last edited by CSACANNONEER; 02-24-2012, 5:40 PM.
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    • #3
      llamatrnr
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 4194

      Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
      Yep, per unwritten calgun's rules: anything over 200 rounds is not marketable on calguns. At 201 rounds, all guns loose 50-75% of their value. But, if a gun only has 50 rounds through it, one is supposed to ask MSRP plus 20% for it since, it's proven to work and "not even broken in yet".
      round count ; fixed!

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      • #4
        dan12580
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 1241

        i get a kick out of the guys who say "50 rounds fired to FUNCTION TEST". no- you bought a gun and now want to sell or found something hard to come by and couldnt control yourself and shot a box of ammo. even though the 10 day wait may be retarded, it doesnt make our guns retarded to have to go through it.
        Iam a good shot. At least i think i would be. Iam a good free throw shooter.

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        • #5
          tuna quesadilla
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2006
          • 5147

          Originally posted by Blackhawk556
          With all the advancements manufactures have done in the last 10-20 years does it really matter? The reason I ask is because every time someone doesn't post a rounds count on a for sale gun, 10 people ask the same question.

          How many rounds down the pipe?



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          With all the advancements manufacturers have done in the last 10-20 years does it really matter? The reason I ask is because every time someone doesn't post the mileage on a for-sale car, 10 people ask the same question... "How many miles?"

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          • #6
            scarville
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            • Feb 2009
            • 2325

            When bragging in the Calguns forums about how reliable your gun is, it has fired 100,000 plus rounds, only cleaned once yet never had a single failure of any kind. When selling, it was only shot every other Sunday by an elderly lady with arthritic hands and was thoroughly cleaned and inspected by a gunsmith after every range trip.

            Yes round count matters. So does type of ammunition and the maintenance schedule. Before buying a used gun be sure to inspect it and know what to look for.

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            • #7
              ckprax
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2011
              • 1496

              If it checks out ok, i don't care how many rounds it's seen. I buy used guns almost exclusively and have no idea the round count. I dont keep track of how many rounds I shoot either.

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              • #8
                Fishslayer
                In Memoriam
                • Jan 2010
                • 13035

                Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                Yep, per unwritten calgun's rules: anything over 200 rounds is not marketable on calguns. At 201 rounds, all guns loose 50-75% of their value. But, if a gun only has 50 rounds through it, one is supposed to ask MSRP plus 20% for it since, it's proven to work and "not even broken in yet".

                And no gun for sale on the Calguns auction WTS board has more than 200 rounds through it.

                Buy the gun, not the story.
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                Originally Posted by JackRydden224
                I hope Ruger pays the extortion fees for the SR1911. I mean the gun is just as good if not better than a Les Baer.
                Originally posted by redcliff
                A Colt collector shooting Rugers is like Hugh Grant cheating on Elizabeth Hurley with a hooker.

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                • #9
                  Blackhawk556
                  Veteran Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 4202

                  Originally posted by tuna quesadilla
                  With all the advancements manufacturers have done in the last 10-20 years does it really matter? The reason I ask is because every time someone doesn't post the mileage on a for-sale car, 10 people ask the same question... "How many miles?"
                  You seriously can't compare a car to a gun.

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                  • #10
                    Press Check
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 4879

                    Personally, unless we're talking about 10's of thousands of rounds, I could care less. In the case of a 1911, the more rounds, the better. Know what to look for, though.

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                    • #11
                      tuna quesadilla
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 5147

                      Originally posted by Blackhawk556
                      You seriously can't compare a car to a gun.

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                      Why not?

                      They're both mechanical devices that wear somewhat proportionally to the amount of [wear units] they have accumulated.

                      For a gun, the wear unit is a round fired.
                      For a car, the wear unit is a mile traversed.

                      Would you go to the car dealership and buy a car with 200,000 miles on it?

                      And you expect me to jump on the classifieds here and buy an IDPA competitor's practice gun with 15,000 rounds through it?

                      Anything mechanical has a service life, bud. When you're talking 200 rds vs 500 rds vs 1000 rds it's not a big deal, but if it's up in the multiples of thousands I want to know about it.

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                      • #12
                        meaty-btz
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 8980

                        Actually, I am always suspicious of a low round count. Not because I just don't believe it, but because I will always suspect someone is dumping a "lemon" gun. Bought it, has problems, drop it like a hot potato into some poor saps hands. No way can you be proficient let alone get a "feel" for a gun on 50 rounds.

                        So when someone is selling a gun with a low round count my first question will always be: What malfunction did you experience that made you want to sell it?

                        With a High Round count gun I always would ask: What parts are worn sloppy that you now want to dump your worn-out junk onto someone else?

                        My personal favorite "low round count" guns are the USP's that are a decade or more old sold as 500 rounds or less. A quick gander at the pictures shows heavy wearing on the contact surfaces. If it was 500 rounds that wearing would not be there. Nope.. looks like a well used gun.. so again, what problem is making you want to sell it.

                        Even worse are the "bundled" deals. I don't want your crap, if I did, I would say so. Your bundle does not represent value. Instead it is a clever way to try and recoup your money from the exceptionally over valued price you paid for it in this lame *** state.

                        I hate to say it but I look at used guns in our classified section as pure "Used Care Salesman" experience. Maybe some of you guys have had good experience but I don't trust any one. Especially when it comes to a mechanical device.
                        Last edited by meaty-btz; 02-24-2012, 9:56 PM.
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                        • #13
                          G60
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 3989

                          Not really since no gun has ever had more than "200 rounds down the pipe" amirite? Or at least that's what the classifieds tells me :P
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                          • #14
                            Oceanbob
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jun 2010
                            • 12720

                            Round count isn't a big deal breaker. I look for wear and tear from holsters and nicks. That turns me off unless the price is low.

                            For 1911s it does matter. A 1911 with 5,000 rounds might have a frame crack (Colt). A Glock with 5,000 rounds really doesn't matter much considering a new recoil spring is only 8 bucks and usually a good cleaning is all it needs.

                            But wear and general appearance is important to me. I once bought a 2 year old GLOCK that looked nice. At the first cleaning the black ink (Gun Black Marker) came off and showed the slide had some serious holster wear.

                            Buyer beware.

                            As for the HK I recently sold. It was an HK USP .40 that I bought in 94ish. I shot a few boxes thru it, cleaned it and put it back in the box. Didn't shoot it ever again; sold it for $650. Looked brand new. (bought it a SOUTHLAND GUNS...a gun store that the ATF shut down here in Orange County..LOL)

                            Same for my Beretta 92SF INOX that I bought in 93. Very low round count, looked new, shot it once, back in the box. For instance I have a brand new GLOCK 23 GEN 2...NIB..never shot it. I had others I shot for fun however.

                            Some guns I own are 20 years old and have never been shot. NIB.

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                            Last edited by Oceanbob; 02-24-2012, 10:12 PM. Reason: glock 23
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                            • #15
                              Striker
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 750

                              Personally, if I'm the buyer, yes it is important to me. May or may not be a deal breaker, but I certainly want to know.

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