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  • DedEye
    Calguns Addict
    • Nov 2006
    • 8655

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    Last edited by DedEye; 02-26-2010, 3:59 PM.
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    odesskiy
    Banned
    • Aug 2007
    • 3035

    You are talking about the Judge, aren't you? I'm pretty sure it's never going to make it onto "the List"

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    • #3
      ThomasMagnum
      Member
      • Feb 2007
      • 136

      The Taurus judge will never make it on the list because it is classified as a shotgun (with all the attendant barrel length requirements). Sorry! We all were hoping to get one too.

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        CSACANNONEER
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        • Dec 2006
        • 44094

        Originally posted by DedEye
        Are there any other .45/.410 revolvers that aren't classified as shotguns?
        If it can chamber a standard .410 round, it would not be legal in Ca. However, you can use a standard chambered .45LC using .45LC shotshell loads and it is legal in Ca.
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        • #5
          RAD-CDPII
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 996

          Originally posted by DedEye
          Are there any other .45/.410 revolvers that aren't classified as shotguns?
          If it can chamber a .410, it's a shotgun.
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          • #6
            bwiese
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 27621

            Originally posted by RAD-G27
            If it can chamber a .410, it's a shotgun.
            For the purposes of this discussion, yes.

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            • #7
              AJAX22
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              • May 2006
              • 14980

              I've been thinking about this a bit lately....

              Do the standard shotgun definitions apply to the SBS portion of CA legal code?

              If it does not have a stock attached, then its not a shoulder fired weapon, and I thought shotguns were defined as being shoulder fired. If its not a shotgun, how can it be a SBS or an AW?

              just something to think about.
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              • #8
                bigthaiboy
                Veteran Member
                • Apr 2007
                • 4795

                A .410 revolver is also a banned shotgun due to being defined by characteristic features listed in PC 12276.1:

                SHOTGUNS:
                A semiautomatic shotgun having both of the following:
                • A folding or telescoping stock.
                • A pistol grip protruding conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
                • A thumbhole stock, or a vertical handgrip.
                • A semiautomatic shotgun with the ability to accept detachable magazines.
                • Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

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                • #9
                  bwiese
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 27621

                  Originally posted by AJAX22
                  I've been thinking about this a bit lately....

                  Do the standard shotgun definitions apply to the SBS portion of CA legal code?

                  If it does not have a stock attached, then its not a shoulder fired weapon, and I thought shotguns were defined as being shoulder fired. If its not a shotgun, how can it be a SBS or an AW?

                  just something to think about.
                  Regardless of what a "shotgun" is, an SBS is a separately-defined entity. Something can be "not a shotgun" and yet be covered by SBS definition.

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                  • #10
                    wilit
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 5211

                    Originally posted by AJAX22
                    If it does not have a stock attached, then its not a shoulder fired weapon, and I thought shotguns were defined as being shoulder fired. If its not a shotgun, how can it be a SBS or an AW?
                    Doesn't the BATF consider the judge a pistol and not a SBS because the barrel is rifled and it serves a "sporting purpose"?

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                    • #11
                      M. Sage
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                      • Jul 2006
                      • 19759

                      Originally posted by wilit
                      Doesn't the BATF consider the judge a pistol and not a SBS because the barrel is rifled and it serves a "sporting purpose"?
                      California state law is the problem. It defines "Short-barreled shotgun" specifically as any firearm capable of firing a shotgun shell, but doesn't meet the minimum length requirements.
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                      • #12
                        wilit
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 5211

                        Originally posted by M. Sage
                        California state law is the problem. It defines "Short-barreled shotgun" specifically as any firearm capable of firing a shotgun shell, but doesn't meet the minimum length requirements.
                        Correct, I know CA is the problem with their definition of an SBS.

                        Is there a definition of a "Fixed shotgun shell"? I mean, honestly, what's the difference between a .410 shell or a .45LC with snake shot?

                        Also, if anyone hasn't seen it already, the Box 'o Truth did a test on the Judge. Basically looks like shooting .410 out of it is a waste of time and money. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
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                        • #13
                          Army
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 3915

                          My .410 Contender barrel, while a lot of fun to shoot within 25yds, is pretty much worthless after that. I imagine a "snubby" style revolver launching OOObuck would be great for bad gys in the house.....and that's about it. Then again, so would a .45LC.
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                          • #14
                            saki302
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 7187

                            A random Q for you guys- would a .45-70 firearm also chamber a .410 shot shell?

                            You can buy a .45-70 revolver in CA legally.

                            -Dave

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                            • #15
                              Rumpled
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 1636

                              Aren't .410 T/C barrels illegal in CA?

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