New Glock 17 problems- FTF!

[tacticalcity]

ya, we came to the conclusion its a limp wrist...or the fact that I'm holding a shirley temple with the other hand and reading a cosmo...that should have been my poll
My glock isn't firing is it
a. empty
b. limp wrist
c. anything else, because you're wrong.

Thats a good point about the mags are new, but I did have them loaded for a week.
I think its the ammo. I'll find out today.

Old mags, new mags, doesn't matter. Manufacturers try to squeeze too many rounds into too tight a space. If you can quadrapole check your magazine seating its no big deal. Nobody does that in real life. So download them. It is no different than AR magazines, a 30-rd AR mag only gets loaded to to 25 regardless of age for reliability. Failure to seat issues is a big factor in that. The magazine won't always fall out of the gun just because it is seated wrong. Most of the time it will just fail to load rounds properly and jam the gun.

Laugh all you want about the limp wristing. 99.99% of the time its the problem...no matter how experienced you are. If it can happen to the guy's I've seen it to. It can happen to you. I wouldn't care if your last name was Vickers or Haley.

That said, when somebody says they are using reloads and having issues it's a good bet they are part if not all of the problem. I've seen one too many Kabooms (most of which were not Glocks) to go there. My hands and face are worth the extra few centers per round. I know that comment upsets reloaders. If you are truly and expert, more power to you. I'm not trusting somebody else's reloads and I don't have the expertise to do it myself.

[mikemaccham]

Range Report

100 Rounds Winchester 0 FTF/ FTE
100 Rounds Federal 0 FTF/ FTE
100 Rounds BVAC 2 FTF/0FTE


30 rounds in the glock 17 next to me at the range (rental with high use) 0 missfires
6 rounds in the Taurus missfired 2nd round, he wouldn't shoot anymore.

All with 10 rounds in mag, I saved the 2 FTF rounds and will test them in the barrel.
I contacted BVAC and they are talking to their bosses, so we will see how they back up their product. I think proforce is a good deal, and it was a fluke with the selling my mags, havent had other problems with them. Bvac seems concerned, so i'll update how they are with costumer service.
Conclusion: for a extra $5 I'll walk out of walmart with the ammo in hand...and I did, $215 for 1K rounds.

Oh and to settle the debate on limp wristing, I always shoot like this.

my bad

[tacticalcity]

The first time I became aware of the whole limpwrist phenomenon, was at a PC-832 firearms course. My buddy and I were both issued loner G23's and RA40180HP ammo from the Police Dept. Mine ran fine, but my buddy's kept having feeding issues. The instructor immediately blamed limpwristing, and had everyone laughing because he's a pretty big guy. It kept happening, so the instructor finally tried it himself. It failed again. Then he finally said that something else was wrong. He field stripped it, and found that the slide stop spring wasn't under the top pin. He reinstalled the slide stop correctly, and no more problems. He was a Glock Armorer too. I'm not saying it's never the problem, just a lot less than it's accused of.

That's why the first step to determine that is for the instructor, or more experienced shooter if not at a course, shoots the gun for 5-10 rounds to make sure it's not the gun.

I have somebody do that for me whenever I have an issue, and I'm arguably a pretty experienced shooter. Certainly the most experienced and best trained at the local range I visit (some of the staff being the exception). I am the first one to ask, "what am I doing wrong" and the last to blame the gun.

The first time I had an issue that actually turned out to be the equipment (though still my fault in a round-a-bout way) was with my 1911. I assumed my failure to feeds were my not putting enough force behind the gun because it was a 45 and I had been a 9mm kick for a few years. Something I've seen happen to countless guys. I kept happening (though less often) even after I focused on my fundamentals and getting as much resistance as possible for the gun to recoil against. Turns out the aftermarket extended slide stop was too heavy and bouncing up and stopping he slide. So it only looked like a failure to feed.

The only other malfuction problem before that was with my Glock. It turned out to be caused by my topping off my magazines and working at full speed. They would not seat properly during tactical reloads while running and gunning. I knew that topping off magazines could cause this problem, but I was greedy for those three extra rounds in my hi-cap magazines so I ignored the advice of my betters - and got the results I deserved for doing so.

Just about every other (handgun) problem I've had has been traced back to the shooter. If there were any other mechincal issues that were not my fault I don't remember them...and even the two above could be considered my fault because I was warned in advanced not to do both and ignored the advice of my betters.

[mikemaccham]

This is what it looked like right after. The first was when I locked the slide back

[tacticalcity]

Sounds like problem solved. Would like to see some more rounds down the pipe of a brand you are considering investing in before you buy in bulk too much. Maybe buy 500 rounds of one of the brands that worked and see how it goes.

Some guns just don't like certain brands/makes of ammo. Seen that before. It's totally random and not really explainable or predicatable. My M4 for example absolutely HATES Fiocchi...which sucks because I get great pricing on it. Yet if can fire just about anything else no problem.

Looks like BVAC is off your shopping list and Winchester and Federal are on it (for now).

If possible get the same run (numbers on the side of the box will tell you all you need to know), but that's not always possible.

Also, just because it likes those brands today doesn't mean it still will 5 years from now. Ammo changes over time just like anything else. A slight change in specs could cause your gun to suddenly stop liking it.

This is not a Glock thing. It is a gun thing. Sometimes it happens. Sometimes it doesn't. I'd bet that if we tried hard enough we could find a brand/make of ammo every one of our guns hated. Once you find ammo your gun loves at a price that is right, best to stick with it just in case.

[CK_32]

Man op you have some luck..

First they sell your mags then bad reloads. We're never going to Vegas

Glad it all turned out well and at least it's a simple ammo problem them a lemon gun.

And the cheap mags i got look legit and have the glock logo but I noticed they have a serial number in on the bottom plate and have warning stickers on the sides. Only way I knew they were fake because factory mags don't have either just for anyone looking at buyin mags that's viewin this so if you see that you know.

Well now that it's fixed happy shooting!

[mikemaccham]

Lol thanks.

[bohoki]

And the cheap mags i got look legit and have the glock logo but I noticed they have a serial number in on the bottom plate and have warning stickers on the sides. Only way I knew they were fake because factory mags don't have either just for anyone looking at buyin mags that's viewin this so if you see that you know.

Well now that it's fixed happy shooting!

some stores sell magazines that come with guns for cheap since they are not in the spiffy clamshell with the silver card

the warning stickers are on the mags that come with the gun

if the mag has glock molded into the plastic it is real glock

if you find a fake glock mag with glock molded in the plastic its worth it just to have the colector item

the korean mags look great but they suck

[G-forceJunkie]

That is classic underpowered ammo an/or magazine lips are too tight (close together.) I watched it happen with a Glock 34 last weekend. 115gr PMC would misfeed like that. Cases were just dribbling out of the ejection port from the low slide velocity. WWB= problem went away. Winchester 147 winclean= problem went away. I did tweak the front of the feed lips a little wider and it did run the remaining two boxes of PMC without feed failures, but the brass was still falling at our feet. For those that wernt shooting Glocks in the 1990's when the 10 rounders came about, they simply suck. They never have, and never will work as well as the normal capacity mags. Its the nature of things when engineering some drastic modifications to a mechanical device to make it work or function in a way it was not originally intended. Back then we had the luxary (?) of tossing them in the back of closet and paying $75 ea for std cap mags. I would suggest you also try and tweek your mags a bit. If you look closely at the failure in your picture, you will see that the bullet nose is hitting the top of the chamber, the side of the case is on the feed ramp, and the rim of the case is still held by the mag lips. You need to widen the mag lips so the case rim is released sooner. Its a timing issue: as the slide pushes the bullet foreard, it hits the feed ramp, angles up untill it almost touches the chamber roof. Before it does, the case rim needs to pop out of the mag lips. Gentaly bend the front of the mag lips out a little bit untill you cannot get it to do that malifunction when cycling it slowly by hand.

This is what it looked like right after. The first was when I locked the slide back

[mikemaccham]

Lol like 1/3 of the rounds were bouncing off my forhead. Wish those dribbled out. Do you think the mag will lossen over time? 2 outof300 was a lot better than the first round.

[pkc168]

I had the similar issue when using the Russian Steel cased ammo, I had 2 FTF out of 50, so I don't use that anymore and never have issues afterwards.

[DRAB_81]

What's the date on the envelope with the test fire cases? Maybe it's one of the late GEN 3's that has the same issues as early GEN 4's. If you're still getting FTF/FTE & brass to the face, I'd send it back to Glock. They'll probably end up replacing the extractor & ejector.