New Glock 17 problems- FTF!

[mikemaccham]

I just picked up a new Glock 17, 3rd gen. Took it to the range yesterday with a couple hundred rounds of BVAC once fired 115gr Fmj's. I swear I couldn't get through 2 magazines without a FTF problem, even after taking it apart for a closer look (nothing out of the norm) & lubing it up a little, not a lot.
I wasn't aware of any problems with new glocks, or glocks in general. I was using new factory magazines, and have had pretty good luck with Bvac for my AR. I picked up 100 rounds of Walmart special winchester to try to narrow down the problem between the ammo or the gun.
Anyone hear of this before?


Thanks.

[!@#$]

you couldn't get through 2 mags without a FTF. maybe one of the mags is bad? it does happen and that's why you always need to test your mags.

i'm not a fan of reloads unless they are from black hills,aysm. not that factory ammo is always 100% but most often it's the budget reloads causing the problems.

number your mags and shoot half of the factory ammo from each and see what happens.

[DRAB_81]

How did they fail to feed? Bullet nose up? Nose down? Nose at an angle? Was it the same # round(s) in each mag? No offense intended, but is there ANY chance you limp-wristed? Pictures of the FTF will help diagnose the problem too.

Also, did you chamber check the BVAC reloads? Did you clean/lube the gun before you shot it for the first time?

My GEN 4 G17 (Original 0-2 RSA & Ejector) has functioned 100% through 600rds, shooting WallyWorld WWB & Federal 115gr, RA9124TP & my 147gr IDPA reloads.
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[510GUY]

Limp wrist is my bet glocks pretty much shoot anything.

[Sturnovik]

How did they fail to feed? Bullet nose up? Nose down? Nose at an angle? Was it the same # round(s) in each mag? No offense intended, but is there ANY chance you limp-wristed? Pictures of the FTF will help diagnose the problem too.

Also, did you chamber check the BVAC reloads? Did you clean/lube the gun before you shot it for the first time?
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Agreed, we need more info.

Did the pistol not completely go into battery or was there an issue getting the bullets up the feed ramp, etc...

[den888]

Test your mags, try different ammo. Glocks usually "eat" any type of ammo right out of the box!

[Ubermcoupe]

The only FTF problem I had was with a seriously bad magazine. Spring was so gone it wouldn't push the last round up.
If you are using brand new mags my only suggestion is to try different ammo. I shoot 9mm reloads in my glock without any issue.
Also try bench shooting, that might eliminate any of the "other" factors that may or may not exist.

Best of luck, keep us posted.

[mikemaccham]

All great points, I will try bench resting to rule it out limp wristing.
I will take a picture tomorrow, I know I know I was so shocked it was happening I didn't think about a pic.
It seems like for the most part it failed to go into battery. The bullet was always in or going into the chamber, never up or down, It didn't look like it ever double fed, believe I had a FTE as well. The mags are "Glock", one new with the purchase and 2 new from a reputable calgunner. 10 rounds in each mag, each time, and it happened on all 3 mags.
I previously had a G21sf and never had problems.
As far as lube, no I didn't initiallty lube it since it has the factory fancy pants stuff. But after I started being concerned I broke it apart and oiled it, but not overly oiled.

The other thing I forgot to mention was I started inspecting the rounds before and after misfires and they all looked fine, and shot the second time around without a problem.

[DRAB_81]

All great points, I will try bench resting to rule it out limp wristing.
I will take a picture tomorrow, I know I know I was so shocked it was happening I didn't think about a pic.
It seems like for the most part it failed to go into battery. The bullet was always in or going into the chamber, never up or down, It didn't look like it ever double fed, believe I had a FTE as well. The mags are "Glock", one new with the purchase and 2 new from a reputable calgunner. 10 rounds in each mag, each time, and it happened on all 3 mags.
I previously had a G21sf and never had problems.
As far as lube, no I didn't initiallty lube it since it has the factory fancy pants stuff. But after I started being concerned I broke it apart and oiled it, but not overly oiled.

The other thing I forgot to mention was I started inspecting the rounds before and after misfires and they all looked fine, and shot the second time around without a problem.

All that being said, my bet is on the ammo. Did you just visually inspect the rounds, or did you chamber check them? Field strip it, and take the barrel out. Hold the barrel vertical, chamber up, and drop a round in. It should drop in freely, and give an audible "clunk". The Case rim should also be flush or slightly below flush with the barrel hood. I check every single one of my reloads before an IDPA match, and sometimes I'll find one that doesn't check out.

Also, even though it's a Glock, you shouldn't just take it out of the box and shoot it. If you feel like you absolutely have to leave the factory copper lube, just Q-Tip some CLP over it like you would normally lube it. Give it a thorough cleaning/lube, and try 50-100rds of factory ammo before you shoot the BVAC stuff next time. Being that the mags are new(ish), I doubt it's a mag problem. And being that you've owned a G21SF, I doubt it's a limp-wrist issue.

[sundayduffer]

Glock17, 2 weeks old, 500 rounds down the pipe right out the box, mostly Fed Champion. ZERO errors.

[drunktank]

They do fail. Don't buy into the GLOCKS are invincible mentality!

Knock on wood, but my 19 has been flawless this year. However, a Gen3 17, 17C, and a Gen2 17 I shoot malfunction about once every several hundred rounds or more. This is with different mags and different ammo (with different shooters too- either military, ex-mil, or LEO's so they know how to "properly" operate. i.e. no limp wristing). Maybe just bad luck from what I read on the net, but just throwing it out there. I have no loyalty or disloyalty to any brand.

As mentioned, I'd try different mags and ammo first before worrying too much. Hope it works out for you.

[CK_32]

Just FYI your poll is kinda faulty. Either way it doesn't answer that in reality it could be and IMO is probably your reloads. Not saying it can't be the glock but coming from a reliable modern pistol so often with only one kind of ammo is hard to point the finger.

Shoot factory ammo and then see. If not try differant mags. If that's not it maybe you did get a lemon. But I see this as being a mag or ammo problem. Mostly because they are reloads and if not made right lead to a lot of problems.

[Shellshocker66]

All great points, I will try bench resting to rule it out limp wristing.
I will take a picture tomorrow, I know I know I was so shocked it was happening I didn't think about a pic.
It seems like for the most part it failed to go into battery. The bullet was always in or going into the chamber, never up or down, It didn't look like it ever double fed, believe I had a FTE as well. The mags are "Glock", one new with the purchase and 2 new from a reputable calgunner. 10 rounds in each mag, each time, and it happened on all 3 mags.
I previously had a G21sf and never had problems.
As far as lube, no I didn't initiallty lube it since it has the factory fancy pants stuff. But after I started being concerned I broke it apart and oiled it, but not overly oiled.

The other thing I forgot to mention was I started inspecting the rounds before and after misfires and they all looked fine, and shot the second time around without a problem.

Can I ask why your "new" Glock only came with one magazine? Any new Glock I've seen comes with 2 new magazines.

I agree it is more then likey your ammo, and new mags are really super stiff but I've never had them fail, just break a thumb trying to load them. Label your magazines so you can see if its one in particular that is doing the FTF while using new factory ammo.

Keep us updated.

[k1dude]

I agree with those that say it might be limp-wristing. It's the reason I don't own a Glock. For some reason, Glocks seem to jam more than some other brands when you limp-wrist. I only own pistols that still shoot 100% even when I PURPOSELY limp-wrist. I test them to make sure. I like guns that will shoot no matter what. Who knows? Your arm might be wounded and you can't shoot properly, or you might be using your weak hand, or you might be shooting from an awkward position, or even wrestling with a bad-guy. All of those situations could cause a Glock to jam when the chips are down.

That being said, I'll probably still pick up a Glock one of these days. But everytime I think of getting a Glock, I test one again and say no after making it jam right away.

[DRAB_81]

I agree with those that say it might be limp-wristing. It's the reason I don't own a Glock. For some reason, Glocks seem to jam more than some other brands when you limp-wrist. I only own pistols that still shoot 100% even when I PURPOSELY limp-wrist. I test them to make sure. I like guns that will shoot no matter what. Who knows? Your arm might be wounded and you can't shoot properly, or you might be using your weak hand, or you might be shooting from an awkward position, or even wrestling with a bad-guy. All of those situations could cause a Glock to jam when the chips are down.

That being said, I'll probably still pick up a Glock one of these days. But everytime I think of getting a Glock, I test one again and say no after making it jam right away.

FWIW, I have tried extremely hard, but I've never gotten any of the 10 Glocks I have owned to fail from limp wristing. I always try with two hands, strong hand only & weak hand only. I have never seen it happen, but a lot of folks on the interweb talk about it, so I figured I'd throw it out there.