First time glock shooting problem

[Turo]

It is called the "Cup & Saucer" grip. It is a horrible way to hold a handgun. NTM, It makes the shooter performing it look like a complete newbie.

This is just as bad......


No disrespect to Mr. Eastwood.

Funny you should post that, I'm watching Dirty Harry right now!

[NapaPlinker]

did you clean it before going shooting ? I did not clean my Beretta before its first shot and jammed like crazy, after cleaning no more jams.

Too many people first think of limp wristing when I am not convinced there is such a thing, clean the gun, lube it up properly and it should shoot fine.

Ive intentionally "limp wristed" a 92fs... And it jammed everytime. Then i held it normally and no problem.

[tuna quesadilla]

FUD FUD FUD. You shouldn't download glock mags, 30 round Pmags, or any other modern hicap mag/restricted mag. Present proof please of why this is necessary beyond handwaving.



His glock should eat any factory ammo he throws at it. Russian, cheap, brass, alum, steel, FMJ, HP, etc. This is not a nickle-plated sissy pistol. If a modern semi-auto gun (Glock, Sig, XD) isn't eating anything factory you feed it, and it's not mag related/severe limp-wristing, you have a seriously wrong situation.

Work the problems out one at a time. Most glock-mags are GTG out of the box, but it's possible you have a bad one. Borrow a known-good one and see if that fixes your problem.

Shoot off a bench, bracing the gun to make sure you're not limp-wristing it or some other such non-sense. If you have a known good mag and the thing is still malfunctioning on a bench with factory ammo, contact glock and see what they suggest.

What the... that's absolutely, positively untrue. There are plenty of reasons for factory ammo to make a modern pistol choke.

Ammunition loaded too weak.
Ammunition loaded to incorrect COAL.
Ammunition with deformed projectile.
Ammunition with deformed brass.
Ammunition with primer set incorrectly.

I have seen all of the above with my own two eyes and they are legitimate issues that caused factory ammo to screw with an otherwise reliable firearm. Of course 99% of these issues happen with the cheap crappy ammo.

My go-to factory FMJ loads are Speer, Aguila, and American Eagle -- those are the only ones with which I've yet to experience any of the above issues.

[tuna quesadilla]

Also, this is really a long shot (ha ha, no pun intended) but is it an off-roster Gen4 Glock? I've seen documented reports of unreliability with lower grade ammo due to the OEM recoil spring on the Gen4s.

[NSR500]

Downloading modern magazine fed guns = FUD

[Merc1138]

They need to rename limp wristing to something less offensive sounding. 'Cause nearly every time you suggest someone might be doing it they tend to get offended, as if you've questioned their masculinity or sexuality or sumpin'.

What else would we call it? The problem is that the shooter is leaving their wrist limp. So what if it sounds bad, do you think "sissy wristing" would sound any better?

Too many people first think of limp wristing when I am not convinced there is such a thing, clean the gun, lube it up properly and it should shoot fine.

Yes, there is such a thing as limp wristing and it's precisely why so many people have mentioned it. Just because you haven't done it, doesn't mean it's some fairy tale.

[Caladain]

What the... that's absolutely, positively untrue. There are plenty of reasons for factory ammo to make a modern pistol choke.

Ammunition loaded too weak.
Ammunition loaded to incorrect COAL.
Ammunition with deformed projectile.
Ammunition with deformed brass.
Ammunition with primer set incorrectly.

I have seen all of the above with my own two eyes and they are legitimate issues that caused factory ammo to screw with an otherwise reliable firearm. Of course 99% of these issues happen with the cheap crappy ammo.

My go-to factory FMJ loads are Speer, Aguila, and American Eagle -- those are the only ones with which I've yet to experience any of the above issues.

And the number per 1000 rounds where you encounter these problems? In the last batch of Tula 45acp, i had one dud, no FTE, or any other malfunctions. Conversely, in my last batch of 1k Speer, i had 2 duds, and a squib. The only malformed round i've see out of a factory box came from a White Box, and the FMJ head was all mangled (i'm guessing during manufacture).

I've yet to actually see actual numbers to back up many people's claim against the steel cased poly coated rounds, non premium rounds, or alum rounds (CCI blazer). First it was handwaving with "it'll hurt the extractor", then "it's corrosive", etc.

I'd be highly suspect of any firearm that didn't cycle Wolf, Bear, Tula, Aquila, Speer, AE, Win, Rem, BH, etc, UNLESS the manufacturer states their firearm will not cycle it (I think high-point has a carbine that won't feed alum rounds, and the manual states so in big letters). I'd be highly suspect of any modern pistol that didn't cycle Hollow points along with FMJ, with the exception of a few high-performance 1911's or race-guns.

I'm almost tempted to do a Glock Destruction Derby and see how long i can keep firing it with Wolf/Blazer/Herterz until the gun breaks.

[Caladain]

Downloading modern magazine fed guns = FUD

It's gunshop fud. It's hoo-doo-voo-doo without any logic backing it up, playing on the fear and uncertainty of the user from a position of authority. Same tone that states glocks jam and to trust a wheel gun, or that 9mm isn't enough to stop a man (I personally shoot 45acp, but modern 9mm loads are very impressive).

There are a few reasons we downloaded mags in the past:

In Vietnam, smart money was to load 28-29 rounds in your 30 round AR magazines. There were a variety of issues that it solved, but primarily it was due to not being able to seat the magazine on a closed bolt for some magazines. It was also possible to load 31 rounds into most magazines, which *would* cause feed issues almost every time. AR mags have evolved, and with the new followers and springs you should be able to fully load the magazine without issue and *shouldn't* be able to overload.

In WWII, the Sten and other submachine guns would have feed issues when fully loaded mags were fed into them. The gun itself was cheap to make, and made in bulk quickly in wartime..there were issues and downloading solved most of them *if* you encountered the problem with your particular sten.

There is a school of thought that states that it one should download your magazine by 1 to make tactical reloading easier, but this primarily seems to come from Vickers and not from any of the major schools or ex-shooters or comp guys *that i've heard of*. There's a logic to this, but i haven't found it particularly difficult to reload a full mag on a closed bolt (i live currently in NH and can have, and do play with proper capacity magazines). But the reasons to download have nothing to do with jamming or somesuch on a modern glock in relation to the OP's problems.

He could have a bad mag, but that's a rarity. He can always buy another mag for a few bucks and see if it fixes the issue, or borrow a known-good mag

[dvsdev]

Possible problem 1: The magazine is not fully seating. You are not supposed to top off your magazines download a 10-Rd magazine by 1-2 rounds and a hicap by at least 3. Doesn't matter if they are new or old magazines. That goes for all semi autos. The magazine can be inserted and even lock into place, and still not be seated properly which causes Failure To Feed issues. Meaning the gun jams with the round not fully chambered or the round just doesn't chamber at all and the slide closes on an empty chamber. The first is more common than the later but I've seen both.

I'm going to elaborate more on this. It sounds like you are having a failure to feed problem. With new magazines, the springs may be very stiff and put a lot of pressure on the rounds against the lips, which do not allow them to fully chamber when the slide returns forward. As a result, the slide looks like it is halfway forward with a round still half way in the magazine.

Also, the magazine may or may not be fully seated. The tight tension of the spring may not allow the magazine to fully seat. E.g. With the slide forward, you insert a fully loaded magazine into the magwell. The tight tension of the spring does not allow the first round to "dip" back into the magazine and lock the mag into place. This is the same problem people are having with 10/30 or 10/20 PMAGs. The magazine does not lock into place with the bolt forward. As a result, they need to load with the bolt locked back or down-load the magazine.

In short, your magazine springs may be very stiff and need some breaking in. Down-loading the mags should help with the feeding issue while breaking in the springs. After the springs are broken in, you may not need to down-load the mags anymore.

[dvsdev]

This is the same problem people are having with 10/30 or 10/20 PMAGs.

I want to clarify that this is not the exact same problem as the PMAG, but the concept is the same. The block/rivet in the PMAG is preventing the round to "dip" back in to fully seat the mag.

[Blackhawk556]

i willing to bet you were ''limp wristing"

I'm gonna go with limp wristing, too. Hold it high and grip it firmly like a good handshake.

Last week, I let a brand new shooter shoot my Glock 34 and it jammed (FTFeed) for the first time after 2000 rounds due to him not holding tight and high enough.

You need to have a good solid hold on the grip as high up on the grip as you can.

Limp wrist shooting I bett also.

This is what I would do. Out of the 5 Glocks I currently own, and the other two I've sold, I've never once had a jam on any of them. I've never had a FTF or FTE on thousands of rounds. Most issues are either caused by limp writing the gun, or by a bad spring. If the brass is hitting you in the face, find someone to teach you how to shoot. If the brass is being ejected in a normal fashion, have an armorer inspect and shoot the gun or call up Glock and they'll have you send it to them.

"Jam" doesn't tell us anything. We need specifics. Since you don't know how to tell us what type of malfunction it was, I am going to assume you do not have professional training. Which strongly suggests you are doing something wrong. Wrong stance, wrong grip, wrong something. 99.99% of the time when something goes wrong it is not the gun it is the shooter.

yeah, 99.9% because it's never glock, they are awesome

Possible problem #2: You are bending your elbow too much, and relaxing your wrist too much. So when you fire, there is not enough pressure from you to hold the frame firmly enough in place. So when the slide comes back to chamber the round, the gun and the round are coming back with it. It can't finish the job. This can lead to both the above failure to feed issues as well as double feeds.

yup

I'm going to assume you're getting failures to feed as you've mentioned magazine springs. The ONLY time my Glocks jam is when I let someone else shoot them, and they limp wrist it. Glocks are more sensitive to limp wristing than some other guns. Get a nice high hold on it, and you'll be golden.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that you might be limp wristing.

What else would we call it? The problem is that the shooter is leaving their wrist limp. So what if it sounds bad, do you think "sissy wristing" would sound any better?



Yes, there is such a thing as limp wristing and it's precisely why so many people have mentioned it. Just because you haven't done it, doesn't mean it's some fairy tale.

Why is it that people say they love glocks as a carrying firearm because they don't have to worry about messing with safeties and a bunch of other cr@p???????

Everytime someone mentions a problem with a glock, right away people start saying "limp wristing" With glocks you might not have to worry about safeties but if you have to worry about holding high, tight, firm, not weak, and all this other stuff then what's the advantage of getting one??

When someone starts a thread about glocks being extra sensitive to limp wrisiting the fanboys are kick to kill that rumor. But when someone has a problem with a glock "limp wristing" is always the culprit.

[Lumpia is sarap!®]

Because Glock teaches how to hold a semi-auto correctly.

[zfields]

Why is it that people say they love glocks as a carrying firearm because they don't have to worry about messing with safeties and a bunch of other cr@p???????

Everytime someone mentions a problem with a glock, right away people start saying "limp wristing" With glocks you might not have to worry about safeties but if you have to worry about holding high, tight, firm, not weak, and all this other stuff then what's the advantage of getting one??

When someone starts a thread about glocks being extra sensitive to limp wrisiting the fanboys are kick to kill that rumor. But when someone has a problem with a glock "limp wristing" is always the culprit.

Fanboism. Plain and simple.

OP have someone else shoot it, if it goes away, your not doing your part. If it doesnt go away, try diff mags. Still jams, call up glock.

[Blackhawk556]

Because Glock teaches how to hold a semi-auto correctly.

You're being sarcastic right??? lol

[Merc1138]

Why is it that people say they love glocks as a carrying firearm because they don't have to worry about messing with safeties and a bunch of other cr@p???????

Everytime someone mentions a problem with a glock, right away people start saying "limp wristing" With glocks you might not have to worry about safeties but if you have to worry about holding high, tight, firm, not weak, and all this other stuff then what's the advantage of getting one??

When someone starts a thread about glocks being extra sensitive to limp wrisiting the fanboys are kick to kill that rumor. But when someone has a problem with a glock "limp wristing" is always the culprit.

I've never said I love glocks, nor do I currently own a glock. I have also never claimed the glock wasn't sensitive to limp wristing when people have claimed that it was.

Maybe you should make less assumptions about other people and worry more about why you care about whether or not glock fanboys exist.