Pistols with POW!

[shoupdawg]

.357 sig ain't too bad either

[saki302]

Modded that way (grip in the center), an AK would have the magazine itself used as the grip.
Assuming you can get it to clear your trigger unit when removing (rocks forwards, remember?), you'd have to have some HUGE hands to wrap around that thing.

-Dave

[Paper Boy]

AR pistol

[DRAB_81]

AR pistol

So that's where all the velocity goes...

Just breakin' your ba||s bro, That pic is badass! I get the same fireball out of my Draco, and my 9x25 Dillon is pretty damn close too.

[HKMadness]

.308 pistols?!?!? Wtf?!?!? Now ive heard it all, tsk tsk tsk....

Remember, you dont want it to bee too powerfull, such that u lose accuracy, manageability. Then u need two hands or a design which makes it work with one hand. If u want a pistol with power, and still practical, well, theres a reason .45 acp has been around over 100 years, and basically unchanged.

[wash]

Someone has a 7.62*54r PSL pistol too.

Sorry for blowing your mind again.

[2nd Shot]

Never gave a serious thought to the S&W .500 until a generous individual at the range let me shoot 2 of his... Biggest rush I've ever gotten out of shooting a gun.

I think the .500 generates the same muzzle energy as a full length .308 RIFLE, and can hurl a projectile as heavy as a shotgun slug at comparable velocity. It's nuts, it's expensive as hell to shoot, but I still am fighting off the addiction, months later...

[Chaos47]

its an AOW but...

[timdps]

One of the German WWII last ditch weapon concepts used this idea. It used an STG44 magazine as the grip (7.92x33 round-shorter than a 7.62x339 round) to make what was essentially a bullpup SMG. It used STG44 mag, mag release and barrel blanks along with Sten MKII derived parts. Sounds like a fun project.

Wimmersperg Spz-kr

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=102530

found another on that uses 5.56x45:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/swed/interdynamics-mks-e.html

Tim

Would it be possible to make an AK 74 pistol but move the grip up to the magazine? Remove the regular pistol grip and move the trigger in front of the magazine, connecting it by a linkage to the hammer. You'd have to use a magwell or fashion some kind of grip that would allow for rock and lock mags. The back of the receiver would stick out and help balance the weapon so you could hold it with both hands on the grip (as God intended). Hell, the safety might be more ergonomic that way since it would be right next to your thumb. Crazy enough to work, or just crazy?

[timdps]

More like a an SBR...

its an AOW but...

[CSACANNONEER]

OP,

Have you considered a TC? How about a Remington XP?

hmm the AOW route looks like it may fit
AOW shotgun not really a pistol but is compact as one

Legally speaking a PG only (which has never had a stock) smoothbore handgun is not a "shotgun". It is an AOW. If it was originally designed to be fired from the shoulder, then it's a SBS. It can only be one or the other. In other words, there's no such thing as an "AOW shotgun".

CA is not exactly AOW-friendly. As far as I can tell, an AK 74 pistol modified as I indicated above wouldn't be an AOW. California legality is kind of important to me.

Really, I highly suggest that you do a little more research. There are more than a few AOWs hitting California's civilian market every day.

More like a an SBR...

Yep!

[Chaos47]

More like a an SBR...

Everyone makes "a an" mistake once and a while.

[grommit666]

One of the German WWII last ditch weapon concepts used this idea. It used an STG44 magazine as the grip (7.92x33 round-shorter than a 7.62x339 round) to make what was essentially a bullpup SMG. It used STG44 mag, mag release and barrel blanks along with Sten MKII derived parts. Sounds like a fun project.

Wimmersperg Spz-kr

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=102530

found another on that uses 5.56x45:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/swed/in...ics-mks-e.html

Tim

Thanks for that history lesson Tim. Neat stuff even if not entirely practical. I knew I couldn't be the first person to think in that direction.

There are more than a few AOWs hitting California's civilian market every day.

Also good to know. I'll have to look more into what this requires as it opens up whole new vistas.

My next project is a 5.56 AR based light weight pistol that will be easy to fire one handed and does not look like most of the AR pistols. Something well balanced, accurate and will not be fired with a cheek weld, it will be fired like a normal pistol hands extended or like a silhouette gun on the ground.

That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about! I hope you'll post an update when you're finished.

[Paper Boy]

Looks interesting BUT....why not the Dillon 9X25? Barrel conversions already exist for the 9X25 (about $100), they use standard 10MM Glock magazines and they run close to 2000 FPS in standard form from Double-Tap Ammo.

What Scope mount is that? And do you have any load data for 115 grain I can take a look at? You poked my brain and now I am starting figure out what its going to take to get me shooting this round....

So that's where all the velocity goes....

Lol yup all the velocity turns into your friends jaws dropping when you shoot it at dusk

[22popnsplat]

The thompson contender will shoot the .223 and a wide variety of other rifle and wildcat cartridges , the barrels can be changed in a matter of a couple of minutes .While the encore is a stronger action there are only a few cartridges that i would like to shoot that can not be chambered in the contender . I have a 223 barrel that when i was in practice i could hit golf balls at 200 meters with ease . There are a number of wildcat cartridges that were deisigned around the contender and are very efficiant using rifle cases . A fine example is the 7tcu a simple 223 case necked up to 7mm and then fire formed , a 139 grain bullet chrono's at 2150 out of my 14 inch barrel and goes sub MOA . Below is photo of my 22 barrel as setup for shooting from the bench , with a match chamber on it I have won the rimfire match in the rifle division here on CG .