AR/AK pistols

[Atmosphere]

Whats the deal on these? I dont know much about AW laws regarding handguns but I figure if it was built with a P50 or BB wouldn't it be legal? I know it can be done since I remember seeing some guy's post in the general forum where he had built an AK pistol. So what's holding people back? I guess thet fact that they are a novelty of sorts and dont fill any real niche or need?

[XDshooter]

You can have one with evil features as long as it has a fixed 10 round mag ie BB.

The hardest part is actually acquiring an actual PISTOL lower. Rifle lowers would be considered SBR and are illegal unless you have a Class 03. Can't import one cause it won't be on the "Lame List" so it will have to be PPT instate.

[AJAX22]

The drop safety requirement is what is keeping them from being commercially available (tho a few members on here are working on that)

I'm getting one built out of state as a single shot and having it transfered under the single shot exemption.

AK's are a bit more tricky, but they are compleatly do-able.

oddly enough the easiest pistols to convert to single shot are actually UZI's.... the only thing keeping me from having a bunch of them is available funds at the moment.

stay tuned...

[XDshooter]

Good call on the single shot exemption Ajax.

[bigthaiboy]

You're probably not going to find someone to ship a off-list pistol reciever to CA, so the only way I can see for this to be done with the AK, is to find a pistol 80% blank and bend it yourself. With the AR pistol you would have to make one on a CNC machine, and it has to be manufactured by you, with no help from a machine shop.

I'm pretty sure you are allowed to make four recievers a year, purely for your own use.

[bwiese]

AJAX22 has it right. Single-shot is the way to go, based on a receiver that is a pistol receiver.

[aplinker]

People willing can and have been found.

80% is a tricky road in terms of liability, too. Be careful. It is one of the easier ways for the mechanically inclined (though building from an AK flat requires quite a bit of tooling), but what does 80% mean and who decides? The ATF can change things.

Can you please cite any references to having to do it completely yourself, without any help, and the limitation of four per year?

You're probably not going to find someone to ship a off-list pistol reciever to CA, so the only way I can see for this to be done with the AK, is to find a pistol 80% blank and bend it yourself. With the AR pistol you would have to make one on a CNC machine, and it has to be manufactured by you, with no help from a machine shop.

I'm pretty sure you are allowed to make four recievers a year, purely for your own use.

[Grouch]

Stupid Question here.

Why even bother with a single shot?

[blkA4alb]

Stupid Question here.

Why even bother with a single shot?

The single shot allows it be brought into the state legally. Once here there are no restrictions on say converting it back to semiauto with a fixed magazine.

[JHC]

They are still fun, ask anybody who owns a TC, they'll tell you.

I know of 3 legal AK pistols so far in CA ( 1 is a single-shot self ejecting, 2 are fixed mags) they were all built from flats, and they meet the letter of the law.
The hardest part of putting one of these together is getting your kit cut down.

[Q]

I happen to look this up out of interest.

SB 269(Stats. 2005. ch. 683) (DUTTON)
Exempts from unsafe handgun testing, as specified, single-shot pistols with a barrel length of not less than six inches and an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver and barrel are assembled(PC 12133).

[tiger222]

Ok! very interesting, could this apply to a HK clone pistol?
and if so, how should it be configured to be CA OK?

[AJAX22]

The hardest part of putting one of these together is getting your kit cut down.

amd 65 kits come with 12.5 inch barrels

[Atmosphere]

So I take it these receivers are marked "pistol" somewhere or if they aren't they would have to be transfered from out of state and be labeled pistol on the paperwork?



One of these with a front vert grip and one of those slings like Jim Cavizel or whatever his name is in Deja Vu had would be sweet:

[aplinker]

Ok! very interesting, could this apply to a HK clone pistol?
and if so, how should it be configured to be CA OK?

A single shot pistol is a single shot pistol, as long as it's not listed by make/model and is actually single shot.

This is one I've been looking into. Much like the pistol you're looking to get...

The problem with HKs is getting pistol receivers (or ANY receivers for that matter). HK clones, in general, are pretty hard to come by right now. Configuring them would mean blocking (sled, dust blocket, etc) and locking the magwell so it would only be single shot.

So I take it these receivers are marked "pistol" somewhere or if they aren't they would have to be transfered from out of state and be labeled pistol on the paperwork?



One of these with a front vert grip and one of those slings like Jim Cavizel or whatever his name is in Deja Vu had would be sweet:

Pistol marked lowers are important to keep from making an SBR.