Ultra high capacity

[ap3572001]

Just something we were talking about at work last week.

In what type of situations, ULTRA high capacity pistols with several extra mags , would REALLY offer an advantage over a much more powerful pistol with MUCH lower capacity.

( exapmle would be : A Glock 34 in 9mm with 3-4 (33rd) magazines VS. A Sig P220 in 45 with 2 magazines.)

[moleculo]

Zombies

[CSACANNONEER]

If you work with Gecko45, those little 32 round mags won't cut it. You'll need belt fed handguns.

[BigFatGuy]

NATO research has shown that battles are typically won by the side that fires more ammunition, rather then who carries the bigger guns. (Hence the NATO love for the 9mm and 5.56 rounds)

Box Of Truth has shown us that the larger handguns do more damage to targets, but the effect is far from the "bolt of death" effect we've all seen in movies.

Research would seem to put the advantage in the hands of the 9mm with standard capacity magazines over the .45 with low-cap mags.

[Fishslayer]

Zombies

Beat me to it!

[B Strong]

Just something we were talking about at work last week.

In what type of situations, ULTRA high capacity pistols with several extra mags , would REALLY offer an advantage over a much more powerful pistol with MUCH lower capacity.

( exapmle would be : A Glock 34 in 9mm with 3-4 (33rd) magazines VS. A Sig P220 in 45 with 2 magazines.)

Magazines of that length have a whole set of problems that come along with, like increased wear on the pistol, the extended length allows contact with the mag that can cause relioability problems, the fact that the extra length would allow an individual to grab the mag and break it out of the pistol, and the difficulty in carrying the mags themselves.

Other than those things, they're great

I'd rather have a number of standard size spares than the G18 extended versions, at least for serious purposes.

[MossbergMan]

More ammo the better.

Caliber plays less into the equation in a fight than placement. With that being said, the longer your ammunition lasts without having to manipulate your gun (read: reload) the longer you can stay in the fight.
Personally I'd perfer to have more bullets (rounds) than merely larger ones, in standard fighting handgun calibers. That's why the .40SW is such a landslide law enforcement caliber. Small enough to stack more in a magazine than a .45, big enough to be effective.
I have no problem with the 9mm either. In fact I traded my 8 shot Sig P220 in .45acp for a 17 shot 9mm Glock 17 in 1989 and carried it until my agency authorized the G-22/23 and 27 in .40SW.
The "big stick" magazines for the Glocks aka "Glove box mags" were originally designed for the machine pistol Glock 18. Having shot the G-18...17 rounds just didn't last very long :-) thus they needed added capacity. Cool thing is Gaston designed his guns to inter-change parts and magazines.
Do I own big sticks? Oh yeah. More ammo, more better in my opinion. 10 rounders for my .45 1911's, aftermarket base-plates for added capacity for my hi-cap Para's, XD's and Glock 21's. So yes I'm a firm believer in more is better.

[dascoyne]

I'm a firm believer in having both caliber and capacity. That's why I have many large caliber guns, magazines and ammo.

[joefreas]

If you work with Gecko45, those little 32 round mags won't cut it. You'll need belt fed handguns.

It will make the mall a safer place.

[ap3572001]

Caliber plays less into the equation in a fight than placement. With that being said, the longer your ammunition lasts without having to manipulate your gun (read: reload) the longer you can stay in the fight.
Personally I'd perfer to have more bullets (rounds) than merely larger ones, in standard fighting handgun calibers. That's why the .40SW is such a landslide law enforcement caliber. Small enough to stack more in a magazine than a .45, big enough to be effective.
I have no problem with the 9mm either. In fact I traded my 8 shot Sig P220 in .45acp for a 17 shot 9mm Glock 17 in 1989 and carried it until my agency authorized the G-22/23 and 27 in .40SW.
The "big stick" magazines for the Glocks aka "Glove box mags" were originally designed for the machine pistol Glock 18. Having shot the G-18...17 rounds just didn't last very long :-) thus they needed added capacity. Cool thing is Gaston designed his guns to inter-change parts and magazines.
Do I own big sticks? Oh yeah. More ammo, more better in my opinion. 10 rounders for my .45 1911's, aftermarket base-plates for added capacity for my hi-cap Para's, XD's and Glock 21's. So yes I'm a firm believer in more is better.

Makes sense. Also , I think it matters a lot how well You can shoot a pistol.

My next pistol will be Gen4 G22 for duty.

[Turo]

Magazines of that length have a whole set of problems that come along with, like increased wear on the pistol, the extended length allows contact with the mag that can cause relioability problems, the fact that the extra length would allow an individual to grab the mag and break it out of the pistol, and the difficulty in carrying the mags themselves.

Other than those things, they're great

I'd rather have a number of standard size spares than the G18 extended versions, at least for serious purposes.

The problems you mention are only problems if the shooter has a very improper grip on the pistol. If the shooter grips the pistol like it's supposed to, and doesn't grip the magazine, all of those problems are moot.
ETA: except, of course carrying difficulty, those suckers are long, but not impossible to carry.


@ OP: More rounds would be useful in suppressive fire situations, and also when facing more than 10 or so targets.

[Full Clip]

Caliber plays less into the equation in a fight than placement. With that being said, the longer your ammunition lasts without having to manipulate your gun (read: reload) the longer you can stay in the fight.

Given that I'm stuck in CA and limited to 10 rounds, I'll take the larger caliber for the advantage, as well as work on shot placement, of course.

[MossbergMan]

10 rounds don't go far

We all have crosses to bear and CA. citizens have that one to deal with. But I can almost guarantee that 10 threats will require more than 10 rounds. Remember when gunfire erupts nobody stands still and moving targets are harder to hit than those that stand still and let us shoot them at the range.
Ten rounds are more appropriate for, say two or three threats. Even the best pistol shots have to take what they get in a gunfight, targets (read: people) move in the real world.
A very wise man (gunfight winner) once told me that no one ever lost a gunfight because they had too much ammo. The only time too much ammo is a problem is if you are on fire....
Granted I do not carry the big sticks in the gun, they are a reload. And B Strong has a good point, some longer mags may cause wear to the mag catch in Glocks if left hanging for extended periods and reliability is a must and you have to know it works in your gun.
If all you have to work with is 10 rounders, then be proficient in marksmanship and reloading.
"Train hard, because right now there's someone training to defeat you." Saw that on a tee shirt at a conference once and thought it was appropriate.

[Jonathan Doe]

Long magazines have some issues by itself. I have seen at a crime scene that a bad guy had a MAC-11 with 30+ round mag and the good guy had a H&K USP 45. The bad guy hit the bottom of the magazine on something and the magazine base plate came off, along with 30 rounds of ammo. The bad guy lost the gunfight. The ultra high cap extended magazine is not always advantageous.

On the other hand, my 20 round magazine on my P226 is only about 1/2 longer than the regular mag. I like it.

[stormy_clothing]

a handguns balance is based off it's full mag weight - high or low caps change the center or balance and recoil movement of the barrel - a 33 round mag or a 50 round double snail are not good therefore for accuracy on repetitive shots.

a glock 21 with 10+1 carries all the rounds you'd need - if your survival is key and not defending some piece of dirt your going to want to shoot less and run more anyway.