Single shot exempt lcp

[Cokebottle]

Transfers are great, but they add significantly to the cost, especially when we are talking about a $350-$500 gun.
Sadly, transfers are still cheaper than the gas for two trips to Fresno... unless you happen to be driving through Fresno and decide it would be a cool city for a weekend daytrip.

But yes, what we need is for some of the local 07s to jump in on this. As I mentioned before though, most of the 07s that I'm aware of (outside of OC Armory) do not generally carry handguns, either at all, or are extremely limited in selection. People go to them for EBRs, and they wouldn't have the volume in handguns to be able to offer competitive pricing. That was the case with Riflegear when I bought my RIA Tactical. They would occasionally get an RIA 1911 in, but between limited availability, and Riflegear's low volume, they couldn't do it for anywhere near Turners' price, and couldn't even guess at a delivery date.
As much as I wanted to keep my money "in the family", I took their advice and bought it from Turner's.

[eastershawn]

Single shot, dimensionally compliant.

This means:
Minimum barrel length 6"
Minimum overall length 10.5"
Zero-round magazine
Mag-lock device

This can be accomplished in a number of ways depending on the gun. Example, for the 1911, you just need a 7" barrel, zero-round mag, and the mag can be locked through the use of grip screws that are long enough to secure the "mag".

The LCP looks so funky in it's exempt form because the original barrel is only 2.75", and the OAL is only 5.16", so you need to add 5.34" to the OAL to make it roster-exempt. This can be accomplished and meet both the minimum OAL and minimum barrel requirements with the use of an 8.09" barrel, which is what you see in the picture above.
I'm not familiar enough with the gun to know how the zero-round sled is locked into the magwell.
In this form, the gun can only be fired by locking the slide back, manually inserting a round into the chamber, then releasing the slide.

ok i understand the pistol needs to conform to these specs to be sold as a single shot roster exempt pistol, but is is legal to own once you switch it back to original specs (ie very little)? What i am asking is, is it legal to own the ruger lcp in its original form as long as it was purchased legally? or does it have to have the long barrel to be legal?

[HK Dave]

There is no loophole.
There is compliance with the law as written.

Yes, PRK in Fresno is able to DROS the LCP to non-exempt individuals through the single shot, dimensionally compliant roster exemption.

And I really want to see a picture of an LCP with an 8.1" barrel.

I too would love to see an ACP with that barrel. lol

[JagerTroop]

That's what I was thinking about with Riflegear.
I know they'll transfer anything that's legal...

And even a few things that aren't






Just sayin

[Cokebottle]

ok i understand the pistol needs to conform to these specs to be sold as a single shot roster exempt pistol, but is is legal to own once you switch it back to original specs (ie very little)? What i am asking is, is it legal to own the ruger lcp in its original form as long as it was purchased legally? or does it have to have the long barrel to be legal?

Perfectly legal.

It is illegal in California to manufacture a non-rostered handgun, or for an FFL to sell one to a non-exempt person.

Once the handgun is in a roster-exempt form and sold, it is not illegal for the owner or his gunsmith to modify it into a non-exempt form.

It is done (legally) at build parties all the time. Purchasing a single-shot LCR is no different than building a single-shot AK pistol, then removing the sled and inserting a standard 10rd magazine.

[SJgunguy24]

ok i understand the pistol needs to conform to these specs to be sold as a single shot roster exempt pistol, but is is legal to own once you switch it back to original specs (ie very little)? What i am asking is, is it legal to own the ruger lcp in its original form as long as it was purchased legally? or does it have to have the long barrel to be legal?

Yes it's legal. Your free to molest your gun anyway you feel like after you take possession.

And even a few things that aren't






Just sayin

[jhaselton]

What hoops? He lives in Livermore - the OP may drive 15 mins to an awesome CGF-supporting FFL, do the same purchase as he otherwise would, and go pick it up after 10 days.

For Cokebottle:

Is that gun safe to shoot like that? I'm assuming the barrel has had an extension welded on to it. What's the gun shops liability if a customer actually tries to fire it and it blows up in their hand? Would the DOJ consider that a legal configuration if they inspected it and a bullet couldn't actually pass through that extension?

[SJgunguy24]

Is that gun safe to shoot like that? I'm assuming the barrel has had an extension welded on to it. What's the gun shops liability if a customer actually tries to fire it and it blows up in their hand? Would the DOJ consider that a legal configuration if they inspected it and a bullet couldn't actually pass through that extension?

Did you inspect the gun in the picture? Do you know for a fact that it will blow up? Do you want the DOJ to inspect every single shot transfer done in the state? What if, let's say a fake can is used for compliance? Well then it should work just fine, maybe the manufacturer has a couple feet of rifled barrel and the capacity to machine his own chamber with lugs to match that gun?
There are a 100 ways to stay compliant with Califorina's opressive laws

[Cokebottle]

I suspect it is a solid barrel manufactured specifically for this purpose and fully functional.

After all... they only need enough for one DROS cycle at a time, they are returned shortly after the guns are picked up.

[jhaselton]

Did you inspect the gun in the picture? Do you know for a fact that it will blow up?

Whoa... pump the brakes. I asked a couple questions. I didn't make a statement. No need to attack me!

Do you want the DOJ to inspect every single shot transfer done in the state?

I think EVERY weapon that is sold to ANYONE for ANY reason should be SAFE to shoot! Selling a firearm that isn't safe to shoot isn't going to help our cause!

What if, let's say a fake can is used for compliance? Well then it should work just fine, maybe the manufacturer has a couple feet of rifled barrel and the capacity to machine his own chamber with lugs to match that gun?

Again, as long as the weapon is SAFE I don't care. I was just asking a question because that gun didn't look safe to me. That barrel hardly looked straight. I also was wondering if a bullet would pass through it. If there was a picture I wouln't have to ask. Sorry!


I will add a straight red line to that photo.

[Cokebottle]

You can't always gauge the "straightness" of the barrel by taking a line parallel with the top of the slide (or even the slide rails).

The barrels on many guns mount at an angle to the slide, and they can even change that angle as the slide retracts. The barrel on my XD9 points "up" by about the same degree that the pictured barrel points "down" when the slide is moved back.

[ke6guj]

You can't always gauge the "straightness" of the barrel by taking a line parallel with the top of the slide (or even the slide rails).

The barrels on many guns mount at an angle to the slide, and they can even change that angle as the slide retracts. The barrel on my XD9 points "up" by about the same degree that the pictured barrel points "down" when the slide is moved back.

this.

I would bet that the barrel is perfectly straight (not bent) but due to the entended length of it, it exagerates any "angle" of the barrel to the slide.

[jhaselton]

OK, the barrel is straight. That still doesn't answer my questions.

I still would like to know:

What would happen if the DOJ inspected a (doesn't have to be this one) single shot setup and found out the bullet wouldn't actually pass through the extension?

Does the single shot pistol actually have to be able fire a bullet to be legal?

[JagerTroop]

OK, the barrel is straight. That still doesn't answer my questions.

I still would like to know:

What would happen if the DOJ inspected a (doesn't have to be this one) single shot setup and found out the bullet wouldn't actually pass through the extension?

Does the single shot pistol actually have to be able fire a bullet to be legal?

Yes. It must function. I doesn't have to look pretty. It doesn't have to be accurate, but does have to work.

[SJgunguy24]

OK, the barrel is straight. That still doesn't answer my questions.

I still would like to know:

What would happen if the DOJ inspected a (doesn't have to be this one) single shot setup and found out the bullet wouldn't actually pass through the extension?

Who knows, maybe the DOJ might let the owner know they may have purchased a defective gun. How much of the round needs to exit the muzzle to be considered a functioning weapon?

Does the single shot pistol actually have to be able fire a bullet to be legal?

AFAIK we have to chamber a round for the safety test, I don't deal with that part. Every gun that leaves my bench will function.