USP 45 VS Glock 21 ....

[451040]

G21 or G21SF

[DirtNapKing]

I owned both but leaned more on my USP. The Glock was a Tupperware queen. Currently I favor the prices on the Glocks even though I don't favor gun prices period.

[HCz]

woo hoo! Another fan boy bickering! I'm gonna add more fuel to the fire!

For Glock faboys, here is another test that will spin your head.
Go down to post #19 by sm

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=205322

Glock 21 failed sand test while *gasp* 1911 and USP did good.

AFAIK, this post got LAV kicked out of Glocktalk. It's funny because LAV probably forgot more about using firearms than any other people on Glocktalk.

Glock 21 had their share of problems, including LAPD's problem a few years ago. It probably was from a bad batch of parts, but it still should not have happened.

My suggestion to ap3572001 is to shoot both and see which one you are better with. Either is fine.

[UserM4]

I own both and like the engineering of the USP better. But both WILL go bang every time. BTW, sand tests are ridiculous. The right sized pebble in the sear mechanism will seize up ANY gun.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

Fire them both and choose the one that fits you better. I happen to prefer the Glock grip shape and trigger but you might not.

All the fanboy bickering is fun to watch, but proves nothing.

[Quiet]

They are both excellent handguns.
Get which ever one fits your hand better.

[sevensix2x51]

just for the record, i dont consider my posts in this thread to be part of any "fanboy bickering," OP is asking for opinions, and i gave mine. i dont own a USP anymore, anyways.

im a 9mm CZ fanboy now!

[Striker]

woo hoo! Another fan boy bickering! I'm gonna add more fuel to the fire!

For Glock faboys, here is another test that will spin your head.
Go down to post #19 by sm

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=205322

Glock 21 failed sand test while *gasp* 1911 and USP did good.

AFAIK, this post got LAV kicked out of Glocktalk. It's funny because LAV probably forgot more about using firearms than any other people on Glocktalk.

Glock 21 had their share of problems, including LAPD's problem a few years ago. It probably was from a bad batch of parts, but it still should not have happened.

My suggestion to ap3572001 is to shoot both and see which one you are better with. Either is fine.

I saw that awhile back. LAV doesn't like the 21. Kyle Defoor has stated that the only 1911 that he has seen make it through a tactical handgun class is a custom Springfield. He says every other 1911 has had problems. He also thinks HK handguns are over rated and LAV thinks the HK 45 is the perfect combat pistol. See my point? I respect both of their opinions and others as well, but I have to buy the pistol that works best for me and my situation.

[Knife Edge]

The LEM allows for a faster reset between shots. I guess it would emulate the Glock. Both are great guns, seriously. The lack of a standard utility rail on the USP is a major shortfall, the total lack of a rail on older Glocks is a bigger one.

Personally, I'm digging the XD40 over all my Glocks and the USP 45. The only downside is I have found corrosion on the XD, never on any of the Glocks or HK.

[Knife Edge]

Lastly, good luck hitting the side of a barn with the LEM and the heavy hammer spring kit. I immediately switched back to the stock hammer spring.

I think the stock HK is geared more towards military having a safety. With that being said, the Glock was purpose designed for the LE community, defensive (no safeties or hammers to contend with in a bind) and fast.

[l8apex]

Neither SW MP45.

[dascoyne]

I had an HK USPc .45 once and sold it. I really liked the ergonomics and it shot well but ... it was also the only pistol that ever failed me in the field - and I own 1911s, Glocks, CZs , and others ... A flatspring sheared during a reload and fell out of the magwell. The gun fell into a halfcock and would only work in DA. It took me forever to get the part. When I fixed it I sold it.

It's only anecdotal but I've relied on my Glock 21SF and my 1911s ever since. Glock isn't the only game in town and I'm sure XDs and M&Ps are just as good - but I wouldn't get a USPc.

[Knife Edge]

Just had a USP magazine weld crack along the backside not too long ago. It happens, they mags are 14 years old. My biggest complaint with HK is the ridiculous price of magazines.

[STAGE 2]

Yeah what ever.. lol the tests don't lie!

You're right they dont...

Just had a chance to do a harsh sand test on few different handguns. This test was not scientific but was very enlightening.

Pistols tested were; HK USP Tactical
Customized 1911
rack grade GI 1911
Glock 21

Test consisted of placing each pistol loaded in a Bianchi GI field holster inside a plastic bag with approx 2 cups of fine/medium grit sand ( North Carolina type). Then the bag was shaken vigorously for 10 seconds while holding onto the pistol butt for safety. The pistol was then taken out and 3 mags were fired through the 1911 and 2 fully loaded mags were fired through the HK and Glock - roughly the same amount of ammo. The sand coverage was very good and uniformly covered the pistols. The pistols were loaded in the mode you would expect in a field environment - condition 3 for the 1911, loaded for the Glock and loaded in DA mode for the USP.A test was done dry and lubed with TW 25B. This test represented EXTREME sand conditions - not normal field use, even in sandy conditions.A brief rundown of the results follow;

1)Carrying your gun dry in this environment is a NO GO despite what some will say. All pistols performed worse dry than lubed.

2)All pistols required some manipulation in order to fire - none would function normally straight out of the holster.

3)Overall the HK USP performed the best - the performance of it dry was roughly the same as the customized 1911 but was definately the best lubed. Overall it performed well.

4)The custom 1911 was second - interestingly enough the trigger track was not a real problem - the sand that went in through the ejection port to the bottom lugs area caused the most problems. Once the sand shifted in this area the pistol functioned better.

5)The rack grade GI 1911 was a distant third - the custom 1911 had an 18 pound recoil spring and that helped with feeding greatly vs the rack grade gun. Swap out the recoil spring and it probably would have done better.

6)The shocker of the day - the Glock 21 FAILED terribly. The big problem was failure of the trigger to reset. Also at times the pistol would not fire due to sand in the trigger mechanism. The dry test could not even be completed with the Glock due to this.This surprised all of us as we expected the Glock to do quite well.

Moral of the story; The 1911, even in its customized mode, can get the job done if you set it up to succeed. Lube it right, carry it in the right holster and in the proper mode, and it won't let you down - just like it hasn't for nearly a 100 years.

The HK USP series are good guns - well designed and well made - for service pistols. The ergonomics hurt the pistol dramatically but for an out of the box service pistol/field gun, they get my endorsement.

The Glock 21 is a dog - always has been. It has the rep of being the worst gun Glock makes. I have a Glock 17 and 19 and like them for what they are - but don't get sucked into the Glock hype - they are not magical guns. Remember what your dad said when you were in 3rd grade; don't believe everything you read.

Hope you guys got something out of this - I did.

I concur with Vickers on this one. Glock makes great 9's but their 45 offerings leave something to be desired. That, and I'm always wary when proponents of a particular pistol give it a "test" because they always seem to do so well.

As far as the USP goes, its an excellent pistol. The testing Hk gave to it was ridiculous including clearing a sqib with another round, thousands of +p rounds and even proof loads with no damage or excessive wear.

However people can banter back and forth about these things because they are either academic or subjective, so here are some straight facts. The HK has an external safety, the glock does not. The HK has two options for carry (SA or DA) and the glock has one. And most importantly, the HK has second strike capabillity but the glock doesn't.

So, if we are going to be unbiased here, assuming you don't have a preference based on feel both holding and shooting (and you will because they both feel very different) the UPS is likely the better pistol because it offers you more options than the glock.

[steelcore]

I chose a USP without even considering a Glock because it has the features I want - traditional hammer and side safety in the Variant 1. It fits my long fingers well and I can perform all the functions (mag release, slide release, safety/de-cocker manipulation) easily and naturally with my thumb.

People complain about the USP having a long DA pull, but seriously, when will you use the DA mode? There's no point in chambering a round, then de-cocking the pistol. Either carry locked and cocked, or carry condition 3 and racking the slide will cock the hammer when you intend to use it. It's the option I like to have.

Bottom line. PREFERENCE! Look at features that you want, and see which one provides.