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I've recently discovered through watching videos of Kahr pistols that one cannot rack the slide to chamber a round, reliably. The company asks that you lock the slide back, insert a mag in, then hit the slide release. To me, that is a major disadvantage because it make carrying condition 2 (loaded mag inserted, no round in chamber) impractical and malfunction-prone. So my question is does other guns, especially the Glock series, have this problem. I was under the impression that all semi autos should be able to chamber a round with the magazine already inserted. With Glocks, you can even ease the slide slowly to chamber a round correct?
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speaking for the Glock 17, 21sf, 30 and 23... yes you are correct, sometimes it takes a push to fully chamber if you're using reloads. -
Which model Kahr does this supposedly happen with? I have a MK40 I sometimes use for out-of-state CCW, and it always chambers a round when manually cycling the action.
I have a K9 also, but she's a safe queen and has never been loaded (see signature).John
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With my PM9, if I try to slowly rack the slide I do need to give it an extra push. If I do it quickly and deliberately it's not a problem.Jim
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This is been known to happen with the PM9 and CW9Comment
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No issue with my PM45 or P380...Comment
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This isn't FUD, because it is the recommended method of chambering the first rounds from the mag in the owners manual. But if you understand the reasoning behind it, it makes sense...it is just like other manuals that tell you not to load a gun, until you are ready to shoot...it is there to avoid operator error.
1. they did research and expected targeted owners, self defense oriented/ concealed carry, would carry their guns in the commonly accepted manner of full mag and loaded chamber. It is targeted toward the same market as the S&W J-frame snubbies with a more efficient design.
2. The recommendation to chamber a round using the slide stop has to do with owners not being able to hold the gun stable when racking the slide...limp wristing it. When new, the recoil springs are very tight and there isn't much butt to hold onto. New owners tend to allow the frame to rise when the slide is pulled to the rear and to come back forward when the slide is released. This does not allow the slide it's full length of travel or the slide it's intended velocity when chambering a round. Releasing the slide from it's locked back position, via the slide stop, works around this error.
3. After the factory recommended, for maximum defensive efficiency, 200 round break-in period, my CW9 will reliably chamber the top round when I hand rack the slide. I snap the slide back with my support hand, while driving the frame forward with my strong hand...which is how I handle all my pistols...and it hasn't been an issue.
My recommendation is to carry the gun as it was intended or pick a gun that will accommodate your less efficient method of carry....because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's TaleComment
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They wear in so you can rack or even slingshot them reliably, which is vital for ftf drills. My experience is it takes longer than the 200 round break in.
Guns should be carried empty, or full with a round in the chamber, and NOTHING is more efficient than a J Frame snubby, if reliability factors into efficiency at all. IMO.*REMOVE THIS PART BEFORE POSTING*Comment
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I think 9mmepiphany nailed it. I believe Kahr wanted to mimic the ease of operation of a hammerless J-frame. They did their research and probably found 99.9% of CCW holders carry with a full mag and a round in the chamber - not unlike a hammerless snubby. The Kahr has no safety, no decocker, no bells and whistles, no hammer - just like a hammerless snubby. Basically they want you to draw and fire - just like a hammerless snubby. It's the fastest way to get your weapon into action. Draw...fire. They don't want the intermediate step of racking. So they throw in a rule to stop you from doing so.
That being said, after you run about 500 rounds through a Kahr, you'll have no problem racking and releasing by hand."Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill
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I'm not a big fan of Kahrs, but this is one thing I've never had a problem with in my CW9 is chambering a round like that or inserting a full mag.DiaHero Foundation - helping people manage diabetes. Sending diabetes supplies to Ukraine now, any help is appreciated.
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my friend's m&p drops the slide when you insert a loaded magazine. not sure if this is intentional design but I wonder why other pistols don't do this.The first panacea for a mismanaged nation is inflation of the currency; the second is war. Both bring a temporary prosperity; both bring a permanent ruin. But both are the refuge of political and economic opportunists. -HemingwayComment
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That is certainly a valid opinion and one I shared until the introduction of the Kahr line of pistols. I've been carry a J-frame of over 20 years and currently have a tuned M-642
The Kahr is:
1. just as reliable for the first shot, with a nicer trigger stroke out of the box than any stock J-frame I've tried. the trigger on my CW9 rivals a stock K-frame.
2. is engineered to feed reliably through the whole mag...the offset feedramp was very innovative. the clearance drill is more complicated than another pull of the trigger...it does require the TRB
3. much thinner
4. has a 65% increase in available ammunition...because the journey is the worthier part...The Shepherd's TaleComment
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