Improving Glock's pointability?

[Shenaniguns]

no...I'm not saying going out and buy a new gun. And yes, you can adapt to the gun. But another solution is adapt the gun to you. I was shooting my XD fine, but felt that I had to spend some time getting a CONSISTENT grip after each mag reload because it was a little to large. Being a polymer gun..I just dremelled it pretty good, then sand it down, and then stipple it. BEST THING for ME.

We are talking about the Grip angle, not circumference, undercutting the trigger guard etc...

[sker13]

I can go from a 1911 to a Glock without even thinking about it. Every gun grips/set up is a little different. It is all way over exaggerated IMO.

[Corbin Dallas]

I've owned a Glock 17 and a Glock 26. I'm a huge fan of Glock's legendary reliability and durability, but they've never pointed naturally for me. The XD9, the SR9, and the M&P series all do point naturally. For those of you who own Glocks, do you have any suggestions, other than changing grip angle, to overcome this problem? Appreciate any help.

Yes, change your stance and grip.

Glocks are unforgiving when it comes to proper grip. If you get it wrong, your shots will break left and right and not in a consistant manner.


How is your stance and grip? Are you right or left handed? What's your dominant eye?

All of these can cause a different point of aim.

Practice will only help if you're practicing properly.

[Lancear15]

Do we need to say practice with good techniques?

As all perfectionists know, practice does not make perfect.

Perfect practice makes perfect. Get it right!

[bsg]

As all perfectionists know, practice does not make perfect.

Perfect practice makes perfect. Get it right!

good point; no pun intended.

[viet4lifeOC]

How far out are you placing the target?

Being new to this great sport and the Firing Line range in Huntington Beach requires the targets to be at minimum of 21 feet...I put it at 21 feet . I know..short distance...I see and am amaze peoples pictures of BULLEYES at 25 YARDS..wowser. Without the dirty birds, shoot-N-C, or Visicolor targets..I wouldn't be able to see my shots (9mm, but can see .45) and make corrections.

Starting up this great sport late, I was just curious..Do people actually see each round placed on those PAPER targets? If I watch someone else fire or I am firing one round..look..fire another round....I can see the first 6-8 rounds, but anything beyond that..I can't tell where it's hitting.

I see other ppl shoot with paper targets and put holes in them, but after 10 rounds...can you actually see where every shot afterwards is going?

I ask out of curiosity and I'd like to start buying cheaper paper targets. But if I am having a hard time seeing where I place my shoots, it just seems to be a waste firing costly ammo.

any good paper target recommendations that are very visible?

oh--how do ppl measure their shots. Is this correct: measure the center of the two shots that are furthest apart...and you get "groupings?"

thanks

[Corbin Dallas]

Being new to this great sport and the Firing Line range in Huntington Beach requires the targets to be at minimum of 21 feet...I put it at 21 feet . I know..short distance...I see and am amaze peoples pictures of BULLEYES at 25 YARDS..wowser. Without the dirty birds, shoot-N-C, or Visicolor targets..I wouldn't be able to see my shots (9mm, but can see .45) and make corrections.

Why can't you see the holes? If your eyesight is that bad you may want to consider specific shooting glasses that are designed for distance sight.

Starting up this great sport late, I was just curious..Do people actually see each round placed on those PAPER targets? If I watch someone else fire or I am firing one round..look..fire another round....I can see the first 6-8 rounds, but anything beyond that..I can't tell where it's hitting.

For the most part, yes. However, if the rounds are going through the same holes then probably not.

I see other ppl shoot with paper targets and put holes in them, but after 10 rounds...can you actually see where every shot afterwards is going?

See above...

I ask out of curiosity and I'd like to start buying cheaper paper targets. But if I am having a hard time seeing where I place my shoots, it just seems to be a waste firing costly ammo.

any good paper target recommendations that are very visible?

Yes, paper plates. Start with the 12" variety and move your way down as you get better. Count the shots on paper and make it a habbit to mark them with a sharpie (circle, cross, hash, whatever). You should be able to tell if you're thowing shots by the cardboard backing.

oh--how do ppl measure their shots. Is this correct: measure the center of the two shots that are furthest apart...and you get "groupings?"

thanks

Anything grouped in the size of your fist is acceptable for self defense at 7 yards (21')

[Gryff]

Stipple.

Yeah. It'll still point like crap for you, but at least your grip won't slip. Good suggestion.

If you don't like the pointability of the Glock, then you should consider a different gun.

If you insist on keeping the Glocks, then put a piece of tape on the wall, and practice moving the gun from low-ready to aimed at the tape. Now repeat 2,000 times. It may sound smart-***, but you need to train your muscle memory to instinctively index the gun on target. Experts say you have to do something several thousand times before it becomes instinctive. Really about the only way your going to achieve your goal while keeping the Glock.

I respect Glocks, but I hate the grip, and I instinctively aim them well above my intended point of aim. I don't want to learn a natural indexing that is significantly different than a large majority of other handguns (unless you live for Lugers and Ruger Mark I/II/III's). So they aren't the platform for me. But try the indexing practice...maybe your mileage may vary from mine.

[viet4lifeOC]

Corbin Dallas,

thanks for the suggestions. I really love the Paper plate idea. I do bring a sharpie in my bag but keep forgetting to use it. So much to remember when shooting.

thanks again.


I completely agree with Gryff..and that's what I originally posted. The "more practice" with "possibly" a grip angle/ grip/ whatever that you don't like goes "against" the advice that so many advocate "shop around for the gun that feels best to you." It just doesn't seem unreasonable that some guns aren't made for a particular shooter. Why not cut your lost...sell your glock and just buy another gun.

Look at the sales ad on here...not to far fetched to think a lot of ppl are selling theig guns cause it just doesn't fit them for whatever reason.

to OP...if you think you can improve and you like and want to keep the Glock for whatever reasons...practice more.

But if...you are not inclined to keep the Glock....buying lessons from an instructor and burning more ammo is wasted money that could go to a better gun for YOU.

Being a noobie..my 2 cents is worth even less .

[Shady]

My last FI said something like, "The grip angle isn't an issue if you do your job of lining up the sights on the press out"

that

[rideanddive]

I don't actually own a Glock now, but...

In my original post, I should have mentioned that I don't currently own a Glock. I'm looking to buy one based on their reputation of extreme reliability and durability. The two I owned NEVER jammed. I've considered others, such as the XD's, M&P's, and the Sig P250. All good guns, but I don't think they've achieved the reputation of the Glock. I prefer their ergonomics, I owned the XD9 for awhile and liked it. If the Sig P250 proves itself before I'm ready to buy I might lean in that direction.

[OneSevenDeuce]

In my original post, I should have mentioned that I don't currently own a Glock. I'm looking to buy one based on their reputation of extreme reliability and durability. The two I owned NEVER jammed. I've considered others, such as the XD's, M&P's, and the Sig P250. All good guns, but I don't think they've achieved the reputation of the Glock. I prefer their ergonomics, I owned the XD9 for awhile and liked it. If the Sig P250 proves itself before I'm ready to buy I might lean in that direction.

Well that is completely different. Glocks have a great reputation, it's true, but so do others. That's all part of the buying process. Evaluate what is most important to you and make a choice based on that. You can get aftermarket frames for Glocks, but they run a few hundred dollars.

Look at it this way too. Are you really going to abuse your gun to the point that it fails? Yes, reliability is huge in any firearm. However if you maintain most handguns even relatively well they will function fine. If you have not yet purchased your handgun then yeah, you should start the process of handling and evaluating what you want. Don't be set on a Glock just because of some intangible reputation for reliability.

[Gryff]

My last FI said something like, "The grip angle isn't an issue if you do your job of lining up the sights on the press out"

Do you know how many self-defense (including LEOs) shootings actually had the shooter use their sights? It's a REALLY low number. Usually because the person either doesn't have the physical time to obtain a sight picture, or because they have never trained to obtain a sight picture under stress.

This why having the gun index naturally is actually a rather important factor in a self-defense gun.

[OneSevenDeuce]

This why having the gun index naturally is actually a rather important factor in a self-defense gun.

You may be right about this, but no one is born with a gun in their hands. You have to develop the muscle memory by shooting it over and over again. Some people will never shoot as well with one grip angle vs. another. To me that has more to do with pre conceived notions, and previous experiences. A 1911 points very well for me but that is just because I have used them a lot in the past. When I started shooting more Glocks it was difficult at first but after a while it felt just as natural as the 1911.

[Shenaniguns]

In my original post, I should have mentioned that I don't currently own a Glock. I'm looking to buy one based on their reputation of extreme reliability and durability. The two I owned NEVER jammed. I've considered others, such as the XD's, M&P's, and the Sig P250. All good guns, but I don't think they've achieved the reputation of the Glock. I prefer their ergonomics, I owned the XD9 for awhile and liked it. If the Sig P250 proves itself before I'm ready to buy I might lean in that direction.

The Sig P250 is having a tough time proving itself, the Federal Air Marshalls were the only major contract they had that adopted them and are now rumored to be returning them for the once issued P229.

http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=40091

And here's a test by the ATF between Glock, S&W M&P and Sig's P250 in .40 cal where the Sig bombed:

http://www.gao.gov/decisions/bidpro/4023393.pdf

http://www.gao.gov/decisions/bidpro/4023393.htm