How many things are wrong with this?

[HighValleyRanch]

Talked to a young man yesterday in his twenties.
He bought a glock 23 and never did a legal transfer with it.
1. If caught with a gun that is not transferred properly, will a LEO be able to find this out if stopped and would the weapon be confiscated. Is there any way he can now legally register or transfer the weapon so that it is legal, without going back to the original owner?

2. He only has Hi capacity mags for it. I recommended he get some 10 rounders for it.

3. Carried it loaded in his backpack while in Yosemite!
Oh no, now everyone thinks that they can carry concealed in a National park!

4. Carried it for protection against black bears!
I told him that 10MM would be the choice, and even if he did shoot one to protect himself, he would probably either being eaten by the bear, or thrown in jail!LOL

Really, he is a nice kid, and I would like to make some good suggestions to him, and take him out to practice with his newly "acquire" firearm. Please give me some constructive advice as to what he should do to make it legal.

Thanks

[SixPointEight]

He can go and register it...but sounds like there may be a good chance it was stolen. In which case, if he goes and reports it to the DOJ, it gets taken away.

Standard-cap mags aren't a problem if he purchased them(and the gun) before 2000. If not...there's another issue. Should probably disassemble it.

Misdemeanor if the guns his. Bigger problems if it turns up stolen.

An M1 Abrams would be better, but a .40 is better than bare hands or a knife.

[cineski]

He's probably from a free state where not too much of that is abnormal.

[spiderpigs]

I am a gun noob through and through. I like them, always have but I have never owned one until recently and even then it hasnt been fired by me. It was gifted to me by my grandfather.

I will tell you this, unless you spend a ton of time on this site, sites like this and or in the law books of this state its almost impossible to know whats legal and what is not. Some of it is common sense but some of it is so arbitrary that its almost impossible to know. Just let him know and make the consequences of a slip up clear.

[trendar5]

I am a gun noob through and through. I like them, always have but I have never owned one until recently and even then it hasnt been fired by me. It was gifted to me by my grandfather.

I will tell you this, unless you spend a ton of time on this site, sites like this and or in the law books of this state its almost impossible to know whats legal and what is not. Some of it is common sense but some of it is so arbitrary that its almost impossible to know. Just let him know and make the consequences of a slip up clear.

The things that the OP is writing about are actually pretty clear and simple, while I agree that many CA gun laws are super confusing. You can't carry it loaded/concealed. If you buy/sell it, go through an FFL. 10 round mags are easy to get, and while they are not 13-rounds, its not the worst round to carry 10 rounds of in a gun the size of a Glock 23. If I could stand the heat, I would live in North Carolina, and all of the above would be 100% legal.

[spiderpigs]

ya which is why I said some of the laws are just common sense. I would venture to guess that this individual is breaking more laws that those the original poster happened to find out about.

[HighValleyRanch]

I guess the question is, can he register or transfer the gun WITHOUT the original owner's signature and release. Normally, they both have to go to FFL and do it in person.
I don't know the details of his purchase, except that he all of a sudden appeared with a firearm, and that raised a red flag when I asked his dad if he had gone through all the paper work and wait time. Probably paid cash, and the original owner didn't want to go through the hassel? Just want to set him on the right path to responsible ownership.
He's only 25, so anything to make things legal before 2000 would not apply anyways, because he only would have been 15!

[Sam]

Standard-cap mags aren't a problem if he purchased them(and the gun) before 2000. If not...there's another issue. Should probably disassemble it.

While that is the most conventional and popular way to legally possess standard capacity magazines it is not the only way.

[Corbin Dallas]

Talked to a young man yesterday in his twenties.
He bought a glock 23 and never did a legal transfer with it.
1. If caught with a gun that is not transferred properly, will a LEO be able to find this out if stopped and would the weapon be confiscated. Is there any way he can now legally register or transfer the weapon so that it is legal, without going back to the original owner?

2. He only has Hi capacity mags for it. I recommended he get some 10 rounders for it.

3. Carried it loaded in his backpack while in Yosemite!
Oh no, now everyone thinks that they can carry concealed in a National park!

4. Carried it for protection against black bears!
I told him that 10MM would be the choice, and even if he did shoot one to protect himself, he would probably either being eaten by the bear, or thrown in jail!LOL

Really, he is a nice kid, and I would like to make some good suggestions to him, and take him out to practice with his newly "acquire" firearm. Please give me some constructive advice as to what he should do to make it legal.

Thanks

1 - He needs to register it and HOPE it does NOT come back as stolen

2 - Buy 10 round mags and disassemble them

3 - Oops

4 - Tell him to file off the front sight, that way when the bear rams his Glock23 up his rear it won't hurt as bad.

[faterikcartman]

Once in a while I too come across someone -- at a shoot, or a friend of a friend, etc. -- who has a handgun or long arm they did not transfer properly. Of course I start hemming and hawing about their illegal transfer and like the OP here tell me the guy they got the gun from is long gone, and then ask me what to do to make it right. I have no idea and end up offering little more than a shrug after I just got them all worried about it. I would love it if someone here was squared away on what to do, without guessing. To not muddy the waters even further, let's assume for the sake of argument none of these things are stolen.

[faterikcartman]

1 - He needs to register it and HOPE it does NOT come back as stolen

How does he register it without getting in trouble for not doing a proper transfer in the first place? How does he register it? Does it go back to an FFL with a self-imposed 10 day wait? Is there a DOJ form? Any opinion letters from the DOJ on this? Etc...

I can just see me telling someone "you need to register that..." and them then asking "how?" and me staring back blankly like Homer Simpson.

[GSG222]

He doesn't sound a "really nice kid" to me. A nice kid joins calguns.net and posts polite questions before buying and carrying. I think he is in trouble with that thing.

[bballwizard05]

How does he register it without getting in trouble for not doing a proper transfer in the first place? How does he register it? Does it go back to an FFL with a self-imposed 10 day wait? Is there a DOJ form? Any opinion letters from the DOJ on this? Etc...

I can just see me telling someone "you need to register that..." and them then asking "how?" and me staring back blankly like Homer Simpson.

There is a self registration form through the DOJ, I know it costs 19$ to self register a handgun but that is the extent of my information. And like stated above if you self register it and it comes back stolen, gun goes bye bye

[cineski]

This is a dumb post. He's not a nice kid because he didn't confer w/ CalGuns before living his armed life? I'm not making excuses for his mistakes, but with "Members: 57,042, Active Members: 15,305" in a state of 38 million, how many people do you think have heard of CalGuns? How many of those people that have never heard of CalGuns own guns? So by your post they're all trouble?

He doesn't sound a "really nice kid" to me. A nice kid joins calguns.net and posts polite questions before buying and carrying. I think he is in trouble with that thing.

[Yuba]

I too have a friend with a questionable pistol and would like to give him sound advice.

Can someone answer the OP's question re: registration. Is there an ownership date that would preclude a transfer with an FFL?

No comment on the bear defence theory, its just a good thing he diddn't get caught.