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[novabrian]

Neither my Glock or 1911 do it.I tried I slammed them hard.

[BamBam-31]

Neither my Glock or 1911 do it.I tried I slammed them hard.

You must be limp-wristing it.

[CaliColin]

I'll take gross muscle memory (sling shot/hand over slide) versus fine motor skill manipulation (depressing the slide stop lever) any day.

Me too. But it still can be used as a slide release, therefore any claim that it was not designed to be used as such is simply false information.

[hybridatsun350]

Me too. But it still can be used as a slide release, therefore any claim that it was not designed to be used as such is simply false information.

Of course it can be used as a release, but it's primary purpose is to stop the slide after firing of the last round. Hence the reason Glock calls it the "slide stop" and not the "slide release".

Very informative/interesting post: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/blog.php?b=154

[Cokebottle]

Of course it can be used as a release, but it's primary purpose is to stop the slide after firing of the last round. Hence the reason Glock calls it the "slide stop" and not the "slide release".

Then why is the 1911 "lever" (and most other's that are not flat) only textured for grip on the top surface?

[Voo]

its physics, I'd be willing to bet any pistol with a slide release will do it.

Yea.. I'd have to agree.. It's an issue of momentum..

The slide stop/lever is at rest.. It wants to stay that way. If you're able to quickly accelerate the gun upward (inserting the magazine really hard) then it should theoretically happen with any gun, 1911's included. With guns like the glock, MP, XD, Sig, there's actually a spring that pushes the slide release "down". This actually helps the slide release "disengage" allowing the slide to go into battery..

The other phenomenon I see occuring is when people insert a magazine, the strong hand is moving as well.. In essence, both hands are moving at the same time, towards each other to seat the magazine.. This gives the slide stop a vector of momentum further aiding it in coming "down"..

I'm willing to bet for those of you who have Glocks that "dont" exhibit this, if you bent your slide release spring more towards a 90 degree angle, it would probably start dropping the slide when inserting a magazine with force.. Also for the 1911 guys, if you "just" engage the slide stop onto the slide and try it, you might get it to go.. Obviously some of you will say, "thats not how the slide release is positioned" This is only to show you that the slide stop is capable of movement provided enough force.. The idea is to imagine if you hit it MUCH MUCH harder, it would move even further..

[dustoff31]

Me too. But it still can be used as a slide release, therefore any claim that it was not designed to be used as such is simply false information.

No it's not false information. A pistol can be used as a hammer, that doesn't make it a hammer. Nor was it designed to be a hammer.

At the Glock armorer's course one is taught and repeatedly reminded that it is a slide stop, not a slide release.

And no, the slide stop releasing when a mag is slammed in is not "normal". You are using far more force than is required to seat the mag.

[dustoff31]

The other phenomenon I see occuring is when people insert a magazine, the strong hand is moving as well.. In essence, both hands are moving at the same time, towards each other to seat the magazine.. This gives the slide stop a vector of momentum further aiding it in coming "down"..

Yes, the momentum also tends to compress the magazine spring and follower, which is what actuates the slide stop and/or allows it to drop.

[BamBam-31]

Then why is the 1911 "lever" (and most other's that are not flat) only textured for grip on the top surface?

Good question. Just because it's there doesn't mean you should use it, however. I see people putting their support hand index on the front trigger guard serrations all the time....

[ivsamhell]

Yes, the momentum also tends to compress the magazine spring and follower, which is what actuates the slide stop and/or allows it to drop.

The follower allows the slide catch to be engaged, has nothing to do with releasing it?. You don't need to use a magazine at all to drop the slide. Just hitting an empty magwell will work, though isn't very comfortable on some models.


edit, it is alot easier to do with a round in the magazine than an empty magwell, empty mag doesn't seem to work at all.

[hybridatsun350]

I see people putting their support hand index on the front trigger guard serrations all the time....

Oh, man! is right! Don't even get started on that! haha

[dustoff31]

[QUOTE]

The follower allows the slide catch to be engaged, has nothing to do with releasing it?. You don't need to use a magazine at all to drop the slide. Just hitting an empty magwell will work, though isn't very comfortable on some models.

edit, it is alot easier to do with a round in the magazine than an empty magwell,[/QUOTE]

Yes, either way, the follower isn't there to hold the slide stop up.

empty mag doesn't seem to work at all.

Because the follower is there to hold up the slide stop.

I did rethink my theory about the mag spring compressing and i can't see how that would make any difference. Nevertheless, I still suggest that one is using more force than is necessary if the slide stop releases when seating a magazine.

[CaliColin]

No it's not false information. A pistol can be used as a hammer, that doesn't make it a hammer. Nor was it designed to be a hammer...

Straight from the Glock manual:

After the last round has been fired, the slide remains open. Remove the empty magazine from
the weapon by pushing the magazine catch (19). Insert a new magazine and then either push
the slide stop lever (27) downwards (see photo), or pull the slide slightly backwards and allow it
to spring forwards. The weapon is now again secured and ready to fire.

I guess the owners manual is wrong.

[BamBam-31]

Or they want you to buy more replacement parts.

Obviously, Glock thinks you can use the slide lock as a slide release. Why else would they make extended slide locks?

Fact remains, however, that using the slide lock as a release will lead to pre-mature wear on that particular part. True, it'll only cost you a few bucks, but still.

I'm not sure why people have to adamantly fall on either side of the "slide lock / slide release" issue. I'm of the opinion that the slingshot method is best (mainly for a consistent method applicable to all pistols), but I still use the extended slide lock as a release every so often.

Is that "wrong?"

[dustoff31]

Or they want you to buy more replacement parts.

Obviously, Glock thinks you can use the slide lock as a slide release. Why else would they make extended slide locks?

Fact remains, however, that using the slide lock as a release will lead to pre-mature wear on that particular part. True, it'll only cost you a few bucks, but still.

I'm not sure why people have to adamantly fall on either side of the "slide lock / slide release" issue. I'm of the opinion that the slingshot method is best (mainly for a consistent method applicable to all pistols), but I still use the extended slide lock as a release every so often.

Is that "wrong?"

Just giving the party line we were taught at the armorer's school. Everyone is of course free to do as they please.