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  • Barkoff
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 507

    I'd laugh for days

    Not seeing it on any news outlets, only blogs, but wouldn't that be a kick in the nads, let them feel the burn.

    Sorry if this is folklore.



    Subject: Vermont's Gun Laws

    Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to
    the U.S.. Constitution as well as Vermont 's own Constitution very
    carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping
    some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.

    Maslack recently proposed a bill to register non-gun-owners and
    require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become
    the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about
    unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun.

    Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not
    only affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as
    a clear mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was
    advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a
    "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals.

    Vermont 's constitution states explicitly that "the people have
    a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and
    those persons who "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be
    required to "pay such equivalent." Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters
    have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves so that they are
    capable of responding to "any situation that may arise".

    Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be
    required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and
    driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate
    government interest in knowing who is prepared to defend the state
    should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.

    Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with
    the least restrictive laws of any state - it's currently the only state
    that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.
    This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has
    resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation.
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    nrakid88
    Veteran Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 3285

    Wow... I initially thought that was cool... however... If they have everyone who doesnt own a firearm being registered... couldnt they go house to house and check the list and say "alright, this house is not on the list, that means the occupants are firearms owners"...

    Its kind of like reverse registration??? haha im probably making up that word, but couldnt registering all non gun owners do the same thing as registering all those that own guns... it gives a way to tell the difference between the two so that if the Gov't becomes tyranical... They know who to attack first, the gun owners.
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    • #3
      reidnez
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 1852

      VT is not the only state that allows CCW without a permit; Alaska does as well.

      But back on topic...this is pretty ludicrous. I don't begrudge anyone for not wanting to own a firearm any more than I begrudge someone for not voting--in either case, if you are not interested in your right and are not going to educate yourself in order to properly use it, then society is better served by your decision to opt out. I wish everyone owned guns and voted, but it's not going to happen and I am OK with that.

      When a "right" becomes compulsory, or when you are fined for not exercising that "right," it is no longer a right anymore. It becomes a burden!
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      • #4
        locosway
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jun 2009
        • 11346

        It may be ludicrous, but it's no different than forcing people to pay and register if they DO want to own a firearm.

        Why does it swing one way, and not the other? We have a right to bears arms, and some places actually require people to own a firearm. Yet we dismiss this, and only focus on the laws restricting us from owning.

        I say, they remove the requirement that all citizens own a firearm, and we remove the restrictions placed on us who want to own firearms.
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        • #5
          F-2_Challenger
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Dec 2005
          • 1102

          Do I get a $500 dollar tax credit for owning one?

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          • #6
            slik556
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 1192

            Originally posted by F-2_Challenger
            Do I get a $500 dollar tax credit for owning one?
            Fat chance in this state,
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            • #7
              cortayack
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2008
              • 1758

              Liberial Califorinas won't be moving to Vermont any time soon, If not at all....!




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              • #8
                dchang0
                Veteran Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 2772

                Originally posted by cortayack
                Liberial Califorinas won't be moving to Vermont any time soon, If not at all....!




                Yeah, they will. They'll be streaming out of California as refugees, victims of their own failed political and social experiment.

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                • #9
                  DougJ
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 1812

                  Originally posted by locosway
                  It may be ludicrous, but it's no different than forcing people to pay and register if they DO want to own a firearm.

                  Why does it swing one way, and not the other? We have a right to bears arms, and some places actually require people to own a firearm. Yet we dismiss this, and only focus on the laws restricting us from owning.

                  I say, they remove the requirement that all citizens own a firearm, and we remove the restrictions placed on us who want to own firearms.
                  I think this is the mans point exactly.
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                  • #10
                    rg_1111@yahoo.com
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 5743

                    DUPE.

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                    • #11
                      patsline74
                      Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 140

                      If you wanted to read the duped thread, its here

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                      • #12
                        5hundo
                        Banned
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 2210

                        There are quite a few people in this country whom I don't want to have access to guns. I'm sure a few of them live in Vermont...

                        His heart is in the right place, but the execution phase is a little over-the-top.

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                        • #13
                          Barkoff
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 507

                          It has to be.

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                          • #14
                            Timberwolf
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 6275

                            Hmmm . . . makes one want to move to Vermont - if it only wasn't so dang cold in the winter.
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                            • #15
                              DarkHorse
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 935

                              This is not current news. Apparently, Maslack is no longer a legislator, and this bill was introduced in 2000/2001.

                              I always find it funny that 2-3 dupes will show up within days/hours of each other. To the OP, how did you hear about this, seeing that it is 9 years old? To be fair, I had never heard of it until earlier this week when it was posted on CGN, but I've since seen several threads on it. I just wonder how several people are able to find an old article/story in a short time frame.
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