P22 Re-call

[ivanimal]

Here is a picture of my newly modified pistol. It looks as though they used the super glue method and a non wrenchable cap. I believe you could just remove it with some force and a good pair of vice grips if you were so inclined. That of course would be in violation of the law. I am just saying how it looks. I obviously would never do that, as long as I have it in this state. The fact that I sent it to them in the first place shows you how far I would go to be compliant to this nanny state and their foolish laws. What I am saying is that a person who does not care about the law could easily make this as it was, with the most basic of tools. I feel silly owning this weapon.

[imported_kantstudien]

Originally posted by bwiese:
Removal of P22 barrel and keeping them locked separately, or purchasing a new unthreaded bbl should also comply with law - exactly similar to having a FAL clone with a separate pistol grip. Of course you could never assemble/shoot your P22 in CA this way until threaded bbl replaced, but the DOJ can't force you to have a working gun

Bill Wiese
San Jose

Actually, I do not believe separating the upper and the lower would be legal because one cannot even possess a threaded pistol barrel in California. It would be like owning an unregistered AR lower that was dissassembled, it would still be illegal. It would have to have the threads removed, be destroyed, or else shipped out of state if the modification is not done. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Bruce]

Originally posted by Alles:
The gun on the approved list has a short barrel. If mine has the 5" barrel are they just going to amputate it?


Not happy...does it show?

The 5" is on the list. Expires 09/22/2005...

[bwiese]

Originally posted by kantstudien:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bwiese:
Removal of P22 barrel and keeping them locked separately, or purchasing a new unthreaded bbl should also comply with law - exactly similar to having a FAL clone with a separate pistol grip. Of course you could never assemble/shoot your P22 in CA this way until threaded bbl replaced, but the DOJ can't force you to have a working gun

Bill Wiese
San Jose

Actually, I do not believe separating the upper and the lower would be legal because one cannot even possess a threaded pistol barrel in California. It would be like owning an unregistered AR lower that was dissassembled, it would still be illegal. It would have to have the threads removed, be destroyed, or else shipped out of state if the modification is not done. Correct me if I am wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is no law anywhere in CA or Fed law that bans possession of a threaded barrel - nor pistol grip, nor flash hider, etc., etc. Also, threaded barrels are an 'evil feature' for pistols only.

[You might be confusing this w/the Fed short barrel issue, where if the barrel is under 16", it had better have its muzzle brake or flash hider permanently pinned/welded on to bring length up to a 16" minimum. The BATF holds that possession of a less-than-16" AR upper with an AR lower is illegal even if detached, (unless one owns an AR pistol in his mix). This craziness is not necessarily due to Fed gun law but due to the Nat'l Firearms Act of 1934 being tax law.]

Calif. DOJ Firearms has said on their FAQ on their website (and in direct conversation with their senior managers at at a recent Calif NRA Members' Council meeting in San Jose) that removing certain evil features from an AW makes it no longer an AW even if registered as one.

So, if you have a P22 or HK USP Tactical with a threaded barrel, you can remove & replace bbl with a plain one and you are in compliance. And you can still retain the barrel separately.

(Similarly, one can have an Entreprise FAL clone, for example, that does not have a pistol grip.)

Again I'd be slightly cautious travelling with these items together (FAL + separate pistol grip; P22 w/separate bbl, etc.) I'd keep the evil feature locked away - and ideally not transited with at same time - from the gun so that a local DA wouldn't have raised hairs about this.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

[imported_EOD Guy]

I just got my box today. All that was in the envelope was the letter and a box. I checked with Fedex and they said it would cost me $38.00 to ship it to S&W. How are they going to reimburse me or do I have to eat the cost?

[imported_TMC]

Originally posted by EOD Guy:
I just got my box today. All that was in the envelope was the letter and a box. I checked with Fedex and they said it would cost me $38.00 to ship it to S&W. How are they going to reimburse me or do I have to eat the cost?

Mine came on Friday with a label for shipping, no cost to me as far as I can tell.

The declared value is only $100.00 How about that, not only due they devalue my gun becasue now I can't change barrels but if its lost they'll only pay me $100!

[ivanimal]

I had an issue with the declared value as well but sent it any ways. I figured they could relace it if lost. Call S and W with any questions regarding shipping they will assure you of your transaction. It sux but I dont need headaches.

[imported_EOD Guy]

There was no label in the envelope I received. All that was in there was a box, the DOJ letter, and the instruction list. I guess I'll have to call S&W on Monday.

[96eunos]

Here's a question for anyone before I call the AG's office:

I have the letter and the shipping box. The Pistol, however is at my second home out of state, where I intended that it stay, or maybe get sold.

Do I have to bring it back to be in compliance, or can I fill out the form stating that the pistol no longer resides in California (and neither will I in a couple of years)?

TIA

[bwiese]

Originally posted by 96eunos:
I have the letter and the shipping box. The Pistol, however is at my second home out of state, where I intended that it stay, or maybe get sold.

Do I have to bring it back to be in compliance, or can I fill out the form stating that the pistol no longer resides in California (and neither will I in a couple of years)?

No matter what Cal DOJ says, you do NOT have to bring the gun back into the state and modify it.
There is no law prohibiting you from owning/possessing a P22 in another (free) state, and CA can't tell you what to do in that other state: CA AW laws only specify that you can't possess evil guns within CA. All you have to do is never bring P22 into CA again after 45 days are up.

The folks issuing letters at Cal DOJ never prob thought of 'people like us' storing guns out of state - we'd either modify it or sell it, they think.

So send 'em a letter telling 'em it's out of state and will never reenter CA, and that Cal DOJ cannot regulate ownership outside CA.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

[ivanimal]

Sent my P22 in last Thursday and just got it back.

I feel so much safer knowing that the diabolic barrel nut and wrench can no longer conspire to harm the people and children of California from the confines of my safe Roll Eyes

Did you hear that folks? He did it for the children!

[Bruce]

What's the turn around time for the P22 "fix"? I sent mine in on 05/16, but haven't received it back from S&W yet (05/25).

[ivanimal]

Mine took Thursday to Thursday.

[Bruce]

I called S&W a few minutes ago. They have received approximately 4500 P22's recently. Mine, I was told, will be back by the end of next week.

[patman]

4500*$225/per average cost = million+ dollar in sales? Didn't realize they were so popular here.

In any case, I finally got mine sent off via FedEx after a delima with the included FedEx Billable Stamp that has only Standard Overnight codes. FedEx policy is priority overnight for firearms. (i.e. kind of how CMP sends you Garands)

The kid behind the counter pointed this out after reading the copy of the letter from CADOJ and the instruction's letter. He then gave me a slip to fill out with me having to call S&W/Walther to get their account number to ship overnight priority. Yeah right. A couple of calls to S&W CS, head honcho at FedEx in charge of security, and regular FedEx CS fixed the problem. I dropped by FedEx with work stuff later this afternoon and once again stated "firearm" and "Special CADOJ Recall of the p22." This time the lady behind the counter smiled, showed me the rule book, asked me if I followed the rules, said "please wait while I try and put this into the system with an override to "priority" instead of the barcoded "standard", and lastly said "all set, have a nice day!"

Web site check now shows "Picked up by FedEx" Delivery location SPRINGFIELD MA, Service type Priority Box!

I was hoping that I wouldn't be the first one to send one back from my area!

I like my P22 a lot. Only a handfull of jams before I learned about the palm tapping trick with none since then. I wonder if the Neos is good to get?