Is this normal for a Glock? *UPDATE post 43*

[pinwheels]

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[CalNRA]

Ok, seriously, why in the world would you *EVER* think this is a good idea?

*NO* firearm is safe to operate while it will fire out of battery. Period.

To recommend that someone fire FIVE HUNDRED rounds out of a firearm that will drop it's hammer/striker out of battery is just plain reckless endangerment.

can someone define "out of battery"?

from what I heard all Glocks can be pulled back *a little* and the striker will still fall.

My 26 will chamber home no problem but if I pull the slide back 2mm or less the striker is still engaged.

I think PLINK understands what the OP (and I) are talking about.

So you are forcing it out of battery by holding the slide back by hand and then you are pulling the trigger?

When you pull the trigger does the slide want to move forward?

If this is what you are doing I can duplicate it with my Glock 19, 26 and 22.

If you are worried about it get it looked at. To me, the round in the picture did not go off when out of battery = a good thing. I would expect to see some kind of hit on the primer as shown in the picture.

I may be completely wrong but this is how I see the situation.

My other Glock is not here but I can check it in a few days.

[Pryde]

To the OP:
I don't know how many other people on this thread own G19s but I have two of them sitting in front of me (one Gen2, one Gen3) and I can replicate what you are doing with BOTH of them. This is normal as far as I can tell. Its kind of silly that you would give the dude advice without verifying it first and turning this whole thing into a panic frenzy.

With the slide back 2mm the barrel may be lowered a bit but the the round is still completely in battery, it does not actually go OUT of battery until the barrel unlocks and at that point the trigger can not be pulled.

The original question is whether or not this is normal.
Yes, it is normal. No need for panic or to send it back to Glock

[Pryde]

On another note, this quirk may only apply to G19s specifically. The G19 will unlock slightly differently than all other models of Glock. Look at the barrel hood of your G19 on the side that is facing downrange. Notice that there is a slight bevel on the edge of hood. This bevel does not exist on any other model, only the G19. Glock tuned the unlocking time on the G19 several years ago to fix the Phase 3 malfunctions experienced by the NYPD. They did this by modifying the slide/barrel so that the G19 will unlock a fraction of a second faster than all other Glock models. This is probably why you can drop the trigger on the G19 but none of your other Glocks.

[J-cat]

To the OP:
I don't know how many other people on this thread own G19s but I have two of them sitting in front of me (one Gen2, one Gen3) and I can replicate what you are doing with BOTH of them. This is normal as far as I can tell. Its kind of silly that you would give the dude advice without verifying it first and turning this whole thing into a panic frenzy.

With the slide back 2mm the barrel may be lowered a bit but the the round is still completely in battery, it does not actually go OUT of battery until the barrel unlocks and at that point the trigger can not be pulled.

The original question is whether or not this is normal.
Yes, it is normal. No need for panic or to send it back to Glock

The gun is designed so that the barrel and slide recoil to the rear together as a unit for a set distance (usually about 1/16" to 1/8") until the barrel cams down and separates from the slide. As the two travel to the rear, the bullet has time to leave the barrel and the pressure drops to a safe level. This is called dwell time.

If the slide is not fully forward, dwell time is reduced or eliminated alltogether. The barrel will separate from the slide, and will begin to extract the case, while the bullet is still accelerating in the barrel and the pressure is peaking.

That's how KB's happen.

[sammy]

I called Glock this morning and they told me to send it in. I am eating the shipping. I will report back when I get it back. Sammy

[BamBam-31]

Good call.

If they find that it's something that should be covered under warranty, you shoudn't have to eat shipping, either.

ETA: I'm fiddling with my G19 right now (Gen 3, DK****), and it will NOT strike unless the slide is completely closed. I'm trying to duplicate the whole 2mm OOB strike on an empty chamber, and I can't. Either it strikes when completely closed, or pulling the trigger pushes the slide back even more out of battery (and no strike).

[AJD]

To the OP:
I don't know how many other people on this thread own G19s but I have two of them sitting in front of me (one Gen2, one Gen3) and I can replicate what you are doing with BOTH of them. This is normal as far as I can tell. Its kind of silly that you would give the dude advice without verifying it first and turning this whole thing into a panic frenzy.

With the slide back 2mm the barrel may be lowered a bit but the the round is still completely in battery, it does not actually go OUT of battery until the barrel unlocks and at that point the trigger can not be pulled.

The original question is whether or not this is normal.
Yes, it is normal. No need for panic or to send it back to Glock

On one hand I do agree that being capable of firing out of battery is not as big of a deal, and in fact it is more of a norm (my G21 can do it). The problem that's not normal is the fact that apparently the gun has a problem going fully into battery and did cause a ftf. He absolutely needs to send it in or be checked by a qualified person. No matter what he has a gun that is malfunctioning. Unless he wants a gun that could potentially have failure to fire.

[Meka]

Contact Glock ASAP!
If new, get it replaced.

[sammy]

Well I got the G19 back from Glock yesterday and opened the box knowing they fixed the problem. After all they did build the gun and thousands of them just like it. Wala:

Inspected Unable to reproduce the problem
Test fired
Meets factory specs

What a joke and to top it off I ate $60.00 in shipping. Thanks Glock!!

[sammy]

And to add I did pull the bullet from the case in the pict and sent it to them. They had everything they needed to see their is a real problem. Lucky me I have not read anywhere that a kaboom caused any real injury.

[JBird33]

And to add I did pull the bullet from the case in the pict and sent it to them. They had everything they needed to see their is a real problem. Lucky me I have not read anywhere that a kaboom caused any real injury.

Maybe try and see if there are any Glock armorers in your area? Perhaps see if a 1-2 pound stiffer spring could help it out? Bummer to hear about that from Glock, they usually have top rated CS.

[trinydex]

so what say all those who said it's normal?

[den888]

LAPD took their Glock 21's off the street for this very issue, known as 'light strikes'.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/leo-talk/10203-lapd-suspending-glock-21-use.html

[Greg-Dawg]

Let me know how much you're going to sell it.