Biometrics? Here we go again...

[TKM]

Let's see somebody fish one out of a bowl of blood and tissue and get it to run.

[NateTheNewbie]

It ain't right for me but I'm actually glad that it's out there, and if it truly works as advertised then I'm sure it will be right for someone.

Maybe it's an on-ramp that will convince more Americans to be gun owners.

[robert101]

That bio-metrics gun could not possibly pass the drop test as the gun would have no signal from a hand in a fall test. I guess CA would change the rules because they know what we need for safety, even if it kills us.........

[Capybara]

Because phones and computers run flawlessly, all of the time and never have any issues, right? Guns and electronics are not good bedfellows, even though that is inevitably where the technology is headed. California will undoubtedly mandate this for all guns sold in this God forsaken state. Anything to make guns less effective, more dangerous and dumber are the watchwords of California tyrants. They can't get away with full civilian disarmament yet, but shyte like this technology puts them one step closer.

[k1dude]

Because phones and computers run flawlessly, all of the time and never have any issues, right? Guns and electronics are not good bedfellows, even though that is inevitably where the technology is headed. California will undoubtedly mandate this for all guns sold in this God forsaken state. Anything to make guns less effective, more dangerous and dumber are the watchwords of California tyrants. They can't get away with full civilian disarmament yet, but shyte like this technology puts them one step closer.

And criminals will still have traditional guns that work.

So will the military and police.

[Thrashard340]

And criminals will still have traditional guns that work.

So will the military and police.

Military and police are the biggest issues for me. Look at the top names on this forum: Glock, Sig, HK, CZ, 1911, S&W, SA (and many others). All have been field tested and proven. I wouldn't trust any firearm that hasn't been properly vetted by the Military or Police.

[Old4eyes]

Towards the end of the video he makes the statement that there will be a small element of the firearms community that will reject it. SMALL?

There is the time tested theory of KISS - Keep It Simple, Stupid. There is a reason the AK-47 is really popular in the world.

When the folks protecting the politicians and Hollywood types are allowed to only carry this type of weapon, we will see who has skin in the game.

[Capybara]

Towards the end of the video he makes the statement that there will be a small element of the firearms community that will reject it. SMALL?

He thinks 99.5% is small?

[Scotty]

So base on Forgotten Weapons video, it essentially has an electronic trigger instead of an interlock. There's a solenoid that operates the sear. If you have a solenoid, a large magnet can defeat it. In this case if you place the magnet in the right spot the gun will fire.

[Palmaris]

So base on Forgotten Weapons video, it essentially has an electronic trigger instead of an interlock. There's a solenoid that operates the sear. If you have a solenoid, a large magnet can defeat it. In this case if you place the magnet in the right spot the gun will fire.

This is definitely asking for trouble. Not only magnet can deactivate trigger, it can also actually can initiate unintentional discharge. Entire idea is crucial fail-tool for self defense CAN NOT have any ID based safety, regardless it is electronic or any other type. You CAN NOT put ID on Constitutional Right of any kind. SIMPLE IS THAT!

[The Gleam]

So base on Forgotten Weapons video, it essentially has an electronic trigger instead of an interlock. There's a solenoid that operates the sear. If you have a solenoid, a large magnet can defeat it. In this case if you place the magnet in the right spot the gun will fire.

No - he specifically noted that the activating component to allow the trigger to actuate is not based in a way thar can be defeated by a magnet.

There are a number of way they could have done that, from using a plastic plunger internally, no different than the safe-action 'lever' in a Glock trigger, to a piston like device also made of plastic, aluminum, titanium, among other things. Lastly, there are numerous ways to do it without electromagnetics in use at all.

It was noted they designed it in a way it could not be defeated by a magnet, due to the weakness learner from the Armatix abortion, and cheap department store safes.

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[Scotty]

No - he specifically noted that the activating component to allow the trigger to actuate is not based in a way thar can be defeated by a magnet.

There are a number of way they could have done that, from using a plastic plunger internally, no different than the safe-action 'lever' in a Glock trigger, to a piston like device also made of plastic, aluminum, titanium, among other things. Lastly, there are numerous ways to do it without electromagnetics in use at all.

It was noted they designed it in a way it could not be defeated by a magnet, due to the weakness learner from the Armatix abortion, and cheap department store safes.

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Go to 19:40 in the video. He says it uses a solenoid to drop the sear. And I said use a magnet to fire the gun. As long as there's a solenoid in the gun, it is susceptible to a magnet. Place the magnet in the right spot and the sear releases the striker.

It would be fun to take a ESD gun and see if an ESD attack would release the striker.

[FNGGlock]

Make biometrics a requirement for all law enforcement, secret service and military first. Once proven faultless consider civilian adoption………

[The Gleam]

Go to 19:40 in the video. He says it uses a solenoid to drop the sear. And I said use a magnet to fire the gun. As long as there's a solenoid in the gun, it is susceptible to a magnet. Place the magnet in the right spot and the sear releases the striker.

It would be fun to take a ESD gun and see if an ESD attack would release the striker.

There are ways to do that where it's not susceptible to a magnet - and he mentions they thought of that in the video, and figured a way to prevent that - not sure why you don't get that's possible to do, there are simple engineering strategies to prohibit that from arising.

But I'm with you on wanting to give it a try, in various ways, just to see if it can be screwed up, jinxed, tilted, fubar'ed, and so on.

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[FAS1]

Make biometrics a requirement for all law enforcement, secret service and military first. Once proven faultless consider civilian adoption???

They don't care what the failure rate is in reality or whether it can be hacked or not. They care to have it a requirement to be on the Roster and that is coming quickly. Just wait until it's the only handgun approved. CA will be trying to set the standard, like always and hope other States follow or the ATF gets involved in some new rule making.

btw, everyone that has accepted and is using biometrics to store their handgun has enabled this technology to a degree (IMHO) to be implemented on guns. Good enough for your safe, good enough on your gun is what they will say.