Importance of Different Standard Capacity Magazines

[k1dude]

I have too much ammo for this gunfight! - Said no one ever.

[Harry Ono]

Home invasion often include 3 perps. Often very young and athletic type of person.
So 10 rounds across 3 targets will not work. 15 rounds will allow you to allocate 5 shots
across each target. Your odds of survival are better.

[roostersgt]

I like the smallest gun possible in at least .380 or 38. Carried a LCP w/plus one kit for years and a J frame for 3 decades and counting. I live in a crime ridden big city. For that one a trillion chance I'd ever need more rounds, yeah, more rounds and a bigger and heavier gun would be nice. Why not just carry a shotgun under your coat while wearing a back brace? For a home invasion type scenario, the odds are in your favor, as you're on home turf and have knowledge of your surroundings and should have more and better home defense weapons available.

I'm against any kind of capacity limitations, but concealed carrying means carrying the weapon so others don't know you have one. This applies in all states. That means going small, and small guns usually have low capacity magazines. For CCW purposes the "extra" 2 rounds makes no sense, unless you're an idiot and go out looking for trouble, or you're just an unaware fool and go into places people with common sense tend to avoid. Any other scenario where you'd need extra magazines and rounds is pure fantasy, as the odds are extremely low you are going to get into an extended shoot out with multiple attackers. Super rare incidents in a country of 339 million people.

With that said, I'm also unvaccinated for many of the same reasons, the odds.

[Verdha603]

Oftentimes it's simply a case of "two firearms with equal dimensions but one have a slightly smaller round, therefore I can squeeze an extra round or two in the magazine by comparison".

If we want to follow the law of averages, the "average" gunfight that a civilian or a police officer get's into involves 3 rounds fired within 3 seconds at a distance of roughly 3 meter's. Literally the only way you could be "outgunned" at that point is if you brought a single-shot pistol or a derringer. Even a 5-shot J-frame would provide you 66% more firepower than required for the "average" gunfight.

At the same time, if you look at police reports dating back to the 1990's regarding the results of the firefights they've been in, it's become pretty common fact that the idea of a "one shot stop" with any handgun is false a majority of the time; everything from a .22 LR up to a .44 Magnum only produced a "incapacitation in a single hit" a third of the time, and usually required 2-3 hits to successfully incapacitate a target. 12 gauge shotguns and centerfire rifles brought that figure to where you could achieve that "one shot stop" 50-60% of the time, but usually requiring a second hit to incapacitate a target at least a third of the time.

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power

Now that's only if you only have to deal with one attacker; what guarantee do you have that you'll only ever face one attacker when the worst day of your life happens and that you'll be 100% guaranteed to put every round on target when that time comes? Most military and police can't guarantee those results (especially when the average hit rate for a cop in a gunfight sits right around 1 hit per 3 shots), so neither do I expect most non-mil/non-LEO shooter's to achieve some impossible standard of pulling off a Dirty Harry and dropping multiple bad guys with one shot apiece.

All else being equal, I'll take the extra round or two provided I'm not adding significantly more size or weight to the handgun. Unless your on fire or drowning, I've never heard anybody complain about bringing more ammo than less to a gunfight.

[FNGGlock]

You misunderstand completely. That is not about Kaptain Karen, Word Police.

It is about the anti-gun narrative. We call 'em "standard capacity" because it's what the guns were sold with in free states.

Using the term "high" capacity only fuels the hoplophobes' fear.

Totally agree on the fact that wording matters and we should never ever concede to the BS terminology adopted by gun grabbers.



With all that said, IMO the 30sc is pointless for HD where size of the weapon is not that relevant and larger magazines, etc can easily be used. A full size handgun tends to work better for most people and that negates any recoil difference of 9mm vs 30sc.

For EDC and CCW the weight and size do affect the ability to be used. This is where having a smaller firearm with a few more rounds will be handy. The difference between 9mm and 30sc seems rather marginal. I was hoping to see something with perhaps 80% terminal effectiveness of a 9mm, but more rounds in a small handgun, and also less recoil that what the 30sc seems to have. This would be attractive for smaller stature people and people with less grip strength. Only adding 1-2 rounds seem rather marginal to invest in a whole new caliber.

[Dan_Eastvale]

My daily CCW is owb with a no tuck, loose fitting shirt.
A Smith 60-7 5 shot.
Small and adequate in my area.
Don’t expect a BLM/ANTIFA riot here

[Gun1]

Oh, I get it. Yeah, living here in California it just came naturally to me. Even LGS and manufacturers knowing I'm calling from California always refer to the magazines as high capacity mags, but you guys are completely right it's a standard capacity magazine. The ones we get here in California are crippled, the other ones are just standard magazines. Does anyone know if and how a thread can be renamed?

[200Apples]

Does anyone know if and how a thread can be renamed?

Try:

Edit your first post, and after you're in the Edit box, look for "Go Advanced". Click that. It is in there that you might be able to rearrange the spelling of your thread title.

If this doesn't work for you, try PM'ing a moderator listed at the bottom of the subforum's index.

[Gun1]

Try:

Edit your first post, and after you're in the Edit box, look for "Go Advanced". Click that. It is in there that you might be able to rearrange the spelling of your thread title.

If this doesn't work for you, try PM'ing a moderator listed at the bottom of the subforum's index.

That worked, thanks!

[hambam105]

Does the OP really need that 2 extra dollars in his wallet?

Two extra rounds...Is that you, Oprah?

[Quiet]

In CA, the legal term for any ammunition feeding device that contains more than 10 rounds is "large capacity magazine".

Therefore, when discussing legal issues involving magazines, use the correct legal terminology.

Because, what is "standard capacity" and "high capacity" changes depending on what type of firearm is being discussed.

Generally...
standard capacity = what the manufacturer designed it for
high capacity = anything over what the manufacturer designed it for.
reduced capacity = anything under what the manufacturer designed it for.

Examples...

Colt M-1911A1:
standard capacity = 7 rounds
high capacity = 8 rounds, 10 rounds, 15 rounds, 28 rounds
reduced capacity = 5 rounds

Glock 19:
standard capacity = 15 rounds
high capacity = 17 rounds, 19 rounds, 21 rounds, 33 rounds, 50 rounds
reduced capacity = 10 rounds

[AFTII]

I personally believe that you can never have too much ammo, but you can definitely have too little ammo. Whether you are involved in a gunfight or simply firing three equally spaced shots as a universal sign of distress in order to be rescued, the amount of ammo you have can be life or death determinative.

[IVC]

In CA, the legal term for any ammunition feeding device that contains more than 10 rounds is "large capacity magazine".

Therefore, when discussing legal issues involving magazines, use the correct legal terminology.

Yup, when discussing legal issue use correct terminology, but feel free to use any other terminology in general discussion.

I used to be upset about "assault riffle" and generally about the whole "assault [anything]" names, but these days it's much better simply to say: "assault rifles such as AR-15 are protected by the Constitution," than to get into the issue-muddying "AR-15 is not an assault rifle, [blah], [blah]." If the antis want to use "assault" and want to mix the terms, who cares.

Thirty caliber high-capacity clip in half a second from an assault rifle with the shoulder thing that goes up. There, I said it, who's offended?

[therealnickb]

Reporter: Deputy, why did you shoot the bad guy 36 times?

Deputy: That’s all the ammo I had.

[Libertarian777]

Dirty secret no one wants to discuss...

Yes u can fit more than 10rds of 22lr in a 10rd 9mm mag.. no it won't work but the law doesn't require it to 'work'.

Definition says "capacity to hold more than 10 rounds".