Debating on a RDS for Glock.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Strangely enough, I actually prefer the window of the 507 compared to the 508. On paper the size of the window on each isn't that different, but I swear I have a larger field of view through the 507 when compared to the 508. Maybe it's the added arch over the top of the 507, but that's why I chose the 507 overt the 508 and had them both in my hands simultaneously. But then again, I am also in the minority as someone who prefers red over green dots/reticles. I had a red 507C-X2, a red HE508T-X2 and a green HE508T-X2 to compare at the same time and went with the red 507.

[JC2020]

You don't need to fire the gun to practice your presentation, pointing in, drawing from the holster, etc. And arguably these are as important, if not more important than just firing the weapon.

I've been to the local range once in the last year and a half, and the only time I've actually shot live ammo in that time has been in classes I've taken. Between classes it's TONS and TONS of dry practice. Focusing in trigger control, pointing in from the ready, fine-tuning my presentation from the holster, and putting it all together to get it as efficient and fluid/smooth as possible. This really makes a huge difference. SO many new shooters are so concerned with speed and shooting live ammo, and that ends up doing is creating sloppy and bad habits. Gotta learn how to crawl before you can walk and run. And with that said, as long as someone practices, I bet they'd become pretty comfortable with and efficient with either reticle.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I'll take that into consideration since I'm also considering adding a red dot to one of my G17's. I know the presentation is completely different and seems like the sooner you get that dot up in line and level with your line of sight the better and then you just push out/present to your target once you've caught sight of that dot )or reticle). At least this is what I've seen instructors teach people in classes who were transitioning from iron sights to a red dot. Most think. red dot is easier, but it's a completely different learning curve picking up the dot compared to picking up your sights during the presentation. My buddy who had been shooting iron sights his whole life (and now in his 50's) was having some trouble the first time he used the red dot which was also in a class.

[crufflers]

Strangely enough, I actually prefer the window of the 507 compared to the 508. On paper the size of the window on each isn't that different, but I swear I have a larger field of view through the 507 when compared to the 508. Maybe it's the added arch over the top of the 507, but that's why I chose the 507 overt the 508 and had them both in my hands simultaneously. But then again, I am also in the minority as someone who prefers red over green dots/reticles. I had a red 507C-X2, a red HE508T-X2 and a green HE508T-X2 to compare at the same time and went with the red 507.

I like red too. Something like the Swampfox 1x27 (Justice), makes the 507C window look tiny with a fat border. The Justice is wide, but still assumes a very low-pro appearance because it is very slim everywhere with slim borders and it sits LOW on a slide. A great sight to look through especially for $200 or $229 or whatever the sale prices get down to. Rainier has good deals on them.

Personally I still prefer red and after playing with quite a few multi reticle HS and oooohing and ahhhing about circle dots, circle only, etc... I eventually gravitate to the DOT ONLY and it is more precise and simple when actually shooting.

I am really interested in that huge donut around the dot to find center though. That is genius.

[HKAllTheThings]

You don't need to fire the gun to practice your presentation, pointing in, drawing from the holster, etc. And arguably these are as important, if not more important than just firing the weapon. This is evidenced by all the peopel I see at the range just popping off shots that have awful form, some goofy stance, they grip the gun all wrong and then wonder why their shots are all over the place. They dont even know what they're doing wrong, but think if they shoot more they will get better. All this is doing is instilling and guaranteeing bad habits.

I've been to the local range once in the last year and a half, and the only time I've actually shot live ammo in that time has been in classes I've taken. Between classes it's TONS and TONS of dry practice. Focusing in trigger control, pointing in from the ready, fine-tuning my presentation from the holster, and putting it all together to get it as efficient and fluid/smooth as possible. This really makes a huge difference. SO many new shooters are so concerned with speed and shooting live ammo, and that ends up doing is creating sloppy and bad habits. Gotta learn how to crawl before you can walk and run. And with that said, as long as someone practices, I bet they'd become pretty comfortable with and efficient with either reticle.

Dry fire is extremely important. However, I would bet that even for those that dry fire regularly, they don't incorporate other shooting positions so they just default to standing. Probably not too many dudes with a VTAC barricade in their garage

PS Select units are using the X2 ACSS overseas now so despite whatever its intended original purpose, it's currently being seen as a value add for combat units. If one were to make decisions based on that..

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Dry fire is extremely important. However, I would bet that even for those that dry fire regularly, they don't incorporate other shooting positions so they just default to standing. Probably not too many dudes with a VTAC barricade in their garage

PS Select units are using the X2 ACSS overseas now so despite whatever its intended original purpose, it's currently being seen as a value add for combat units. If one were to make decisions based on that..

You could rationalize and critique anyone's suggestions and say yeah, well what about this situation, that situation, etc. And again, you're talking about stuff that's slightly more advanced for a new shooter. Gotta get the FUNDAMENTALS down first before you start worrying about different shooting positions, barricades, blah, blah, blah. If you can't shoot well from standing position in a controlled environment, what makes you think someone is going to be better while moving or in other positions, behind barricades? Not saying that isn't important, but what good will it be for someone who can't even present from the holster properly and consistently, has trouble getting onto their sights during their presentation, has awful trigger control, etc.? If they don't have the fundamentals down all you're going to do is make things worse. Get the basics down and then start worrying about shooting from different positions, from behind barricades, while moving, etc. And dry practice is a great way to improve without thinking you have to go to the range all the time and spend a ton of money on ammo.

[HKAllTheThings]

You could rationalize and critique anyone's suggestions and say yeah, well what about this situation, that situation, etc. And again, you're talking about stuff that's slightly more advanced for a new shooter. Gotta get the FUNDAMENTALS down first before you start worrying about different shooting positions, barricades, blah, blah, blah. If you can't shoot well from standing position in a controlled environment, what makes you think someone is going to be better while moving or in other positions, behind barricades? Not saying that isn't important, but what good will it be for someone who can't even present from the holster properly and consistently, has trouble getting onto their sights during their presentation, has awful trigger control, etc.? If they don't have the fundamentals down all you're going to do is make things worse. Get the basics down and then start worrying about shooting from different positions, from behind barricades, while moving, etc. And dry practice is a great way to improve without thinking you have to go to the range all the time and spend a ton of money on ammo.

Right, I think if you can't consistently present from standing supported, you gotta nail that first. My comment was intended for those that regularly dryfire and can shoot at B Class minimum.

[Packy14]

507k on carry. Just ordered another one and a couple 508t. 509t seems too closed in view perception as well as some distortion.

[HKAllTheThings]

507k on carry. Just ordered another one and a couple 508t. 509t seems too closed in view perception as well as some distortion.

You just supported the Chinese Army.

And so did I with my latest 508T.

[rodralig]

507k on carry. Just ordered another one and a couple 508t. 509t seems too closed in view perception as well as some distortion.

You just supported the Chinese Army.

And so did I with my latest 508T.

Can I join your club?

Just added a 508T to my Glock 26 before I head out to my off-state road trip/vacay with the family next month.

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[Packy14]

Can I join your club?

Just added a 508T to my Glock 26 before I head out to my off-state road trip/vacay with the family next month.

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😂🎉 welcome

[static2126]

Primary reason for a 509T would be if you live somewhere with a lot of rain. A 507C is fine most of the time in rain but I have had the emitter.get water on it and a multi dot. This has happened in light drizzle. This has also not happened in pouring rain so a bit random.

The new 509Ts (v2) do not have the slight magnification effect that the V1 did.

Since I live somewhere that does rain I am tempted to get at least 1 or 2 guns cut for a 509T (right now my ccw is a mr920 which is my favorite cut for a rmr due to how low it sits).

[Packy14]

Agreed. I have the HS507C-X2 Green dot. 2MOA/32MOA circle. I like it a lot, but it took much more training to get that down, compared to the ACSS. And in a disorientating situation, the ACSS might be beneficial. The reticle itself is a chevron, but there is a giant ring that encircles it, guiding your focus to correct positioning.

Only if fundamentals are bad. I just started with my first red dot, 507k. Found it immediately and consistently. No issue.

[vandal]

Due to the mounting, the 509T actually sits slightly lower on the slide than a 508T on a C&H plate (thinking MOS here). But the longer enclosure can print slightly more. Kind of a wash in the concealment dept.

My my most-used feature of the 509T is I don't have to keep dusting the inside of the glass like all my other open emitter MRDS.

My 509T X2 still has some distortion. Not super distracting like Gen 1, but it's there. #waitingforacro

[crufflers]

This is Calguns where everyone is a secret Delta SOF Recon Operations master pistol sniper and no one has training except you or the guy selling training... everyone else trains pistol sitting on a bench with a box of doughnuts, and Chinese optics are best and if you need a ground-breaking new reticle to ever find your dot under any circumstances, in any shooting position... your fundamentals are weak. Hahah. But don't use that new reticle or you support the Chinese Army and Honda Civics.