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  • #31
    Lexicon Devil
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 721

    Originally posted by SkyHawk
    The problem is liquid ammonia (ammonium hydroxide). Liquid Ammonia is corrosive to aluminum. Check out the MSDS for Hoppes 9 and then google what aqueous ammonia does to aluminum.

    Hoppes 9 is probably the safest of all if you don't have CLP, I think there was a guy who tested raw aluminum (not sure which alloy though) for 6 months in Hoppes 9 solution with no ill effect. But others like Shooters Choice or anything with a strong copper remover - look out!

    Anyhow there are a bunch of threads on gun forums going back to the dawn of the internet, you can find them with Google. As with many things, you will find people who have contrary experience. I guess my point was, if you want to remove blems from aluminum, don't use a chemical that can blem aluminum And unless you want to read MSDS and chemical concentrations for every cleaner you may come across, just as a general rule stick to CLP for aluminum.
    Thank you for coming through with that info because it was brand new to me. I'll keep it off my ARs then and use CLP. Honestly much appreciated!
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    • #32
      Dvrjon
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Nov 2012
      • 11370

      It's also important to realize that, for decades, Hoppe's has included aluminum cleaning rods in the majority of their gun cleaning kits.
      Last edited by Dvrjon; 10-06-2020, 12:24 PM.

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      • #33
        Barang
        CGN Contributor
        • Aug 2013
        • 13330

        Originally posted by SkyHawk
        The problem is liquid ammonia (ammonium hydroxide). Liquid Ammonia is corrosive to aluminum. Check out the MSDS for Hoppes 9 and then google what aqueous ammonia does to aluminum.

        Hoppes 9 is probably the safest of all if you don't have CLP, I think there was a guy who tested raw aluminum (not sure which alloy though) for 6 months in Hoppes 9 solution with no ill effect. But others like Shooters Choice or anything with a strong copper remover - look out!
        Second person here to thank you, skyhawk. although i never clean my firearms other than hoppes 9 and/or clp, it's informative to know what's not to use on aluminum parts.
        Last edited by Barang; 10-06-2020, 1:23 PM.

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        • #34
          SkyHawk
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Sep 2012
          • 23531

          Originally posted by Dvrjon
          It's also important to realize that, for decades, Hoppe's has included aluminum cleaning rods in the majority of their gun cleaning kits.
          Yes that is a puzzle, although you don't ever hear of people making threads about blems on their cleaning rods either. They are cheap and plentiful, and you never have to bet your life on one...
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          • #35
            Dvrjon
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Nov 2012
            • 11370

            Originally posted by SkyHawk
            Yes that is a puzzle, although you don't ever hear of people making threads about blems on their cleaning rods either. They are cheap and plentiful, and you never have to bet your life on one...
            The rods are bare aluminum, unlike the external finish of guns.

            But, that's one of the truths of the internet. Everybody gripes about anything (YELP). I suspect if a $4.99 aluminum cleaning rod did get fouled, there would be a number of posts on CalGuns about it.
            -break in period?
            -did you push or pull?
            -did you wipe it down and oil it after use?
            -contact Hoppe's and ask for the manager
            -no one has ever had a problem with the cleaning tools supplied by GLOCK
            -why did you soak it in #9 for six months?

            Best.

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            • #36
              -hanko
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Jul 2002
              • 14174

              Originally posted by Lexicon Devil
              This is the first I've ever heard about not using Hoppes or powder solvent on aluminum frames. Can you point me to the info that will tell me why that is?
              Originally posted by SkyHawk
              The problem is liquid ammonia (ammonium hydroxide). Liquid Ammonia is corrosive to aluminum. Check out the MSDS for Hoppes 9 and then google what aqueous ammonia does to aluminum.

              Hoppes 9 is probably the safest of all if you don't have CLP, I think there was a guy who tested raw aluminum (not sure which alloy though) for 6 months in Hoppes 9 solution with no ill effect. But others like Shooters Choice or anything with a strong copper remover - look out!

              Anyhow there are a bunch of threads on gun forums going back to the dawn of the internet, you can find them with Google. As with many things, you will find people who have contrary experience. I guess my point was, if you want to remove blems from aluminum, don't use a chemical that can blem aluminum And unless you want to read MSDS and chemical concentrations for every cleaner you may come across, just as a general rule stick to CLP for aluminum.
              There's no issue with #9 and aluminum. I read the MSDS just now and it shows ammonia at 1 to 3 per cent. The only metal sensitive to #9 is nickel.
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              • #37
                SkyHawk
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Sep 2012
                • 23531

                Originally posted by -hanko
                There's no issue with #9 and aluminum. I read the MSDS just now and it shows ammonia at 1 to 3 per cent. The only metal sensitive to #9 is nickel.
                I believe it used to be up to 10%, and that is where the uproar started. Here is an old calguns thread


                I believe they have reduced the ammonia content over the years.

                Here is a thread from 2016 when it was 1-5%
                There has been a lot of conflicting discussion about use of Hoppe's on the newer blued S&W revolvers. Rather than rely on hearsay reports I looked at the S&W owners manual and the Hoppe's MSDS sheet. The owners manual does indeed warn against ammonium solvents. It does not single out blued guns...

                and a 2016 MSDS confirming the same https://pdf4pro.com/cdn/http-www-hop...b35-328fbd.pdf

                Now it says less than 1%:


                Who knows when it will change again

                Like I said, unless you want to keep up with MSDS it seems easier just to avoid
                Last edited by SkyHawk; 10-06-2020, 4:09 PM.
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                • #38
                  plumbum
                  Calguns Addict
                  • May 2010
                  • 5394

                  That’ll teach y’all to clean your guns - serves you right!!!
                  Originally posted by ysr_racer
                  Please don't bring logic and reason into an interwebs discussion

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                  • #39
                    Bakerloo
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 1724

                    I would file them off.
                    ...while the buffoon in the White House prances around celebrating butt sex.

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                    • #40
                      Erion929
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 4706

                      Originally posted by SkyHawk
                      Yes I see that now, OP was not clear he was using lifted photos in the other thread. I guess now we have to wonder if this is another Armslist pic? If not, sad to see OPs also has the lawyer billboard. If my M9 that is inbound has that I am going to be pissed. That would bug me 1000x more than those two little blems.

                      I don't have any Berettas, but that billboard is fuggin’ ridiculous.....I wouldn’t buy that gun just for that alone. Wow...WTF?

                      The smudge marks are nothing compared to that


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                      • #41
                        G-forceJunkie
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 6473

                        Sure its not paint from whoever color filled that lettering?

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                        • #42
                          L84CABO
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 8765

                          See if some Renaissance Wax will get it off. Or maybe try some 0000 steel wool.
                          "Kestryll I wanna lick your doughnut."

                          Fighter Pilot

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                          • #43
                            The War Wagon
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 10294

                            After you've dropped a couple dozen Anqueefers with it on the morning of Nov.4, you'll forget all about those scratches...
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                            • #44
                              fmunk
                              Veteran Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 3896

                              Just imagine the back room conversations about this customer at said gun shop... I dub thee Gun Shop Karen.


                              FS: Atlas Bipod, Custom G23 RMR slide, ETS mags, Jagerwerks, Recover G26/27, CZ Scorpion bits, etc.

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                              • #45
                                Ruber
                                Senior Member
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 544

                                Originally posted by G-forceJunkie
                                Sure its not paint from whoever color filled that lettering?


                                That was my guess too

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