Striker Fired vs. 1911 Condition 0?

[TomReloaded]

You dont HAVE to carry with one in the chamber. Yes, I know that extra 2 seconds is all the window the ninjas in the bushes need to kill you, but it's an option.

Accidents happen. There's videos of instructors shooting themselves in the leg after all.

[BarrettM99]

My personal carry preference is a Glock 19. I carry it in a Haley Strategic Incog holster and have not had any issues whatsoever. And I always carry with one in the chamber.

If you are well-trained and confident, there should be no problems. You can’t and shouldn’t live your life with fear that something may go wrong.

If it comes to the point where you need to draw your firearm in a defensive shoot, you will want it chambered and ready to go. The key is to train, train, train, and then train some more.

[AFTII]

There's videos of instructors shooting themselves in the leg after all.

And don't forget this guy. He was "the only one professional enough to carry a Glock 40 in this room,."

[TMB 1]

You dont HAVE to carry with one in the chamber. Yes, I know that extra 2 seconds is all the window the ninjas in the bushes need to kill you, but it's an option.

Accidents happen. There's videos of instructors shooting themselves in the leg after all.

https://www.wyofile.com/10mm-glock-fully-functional-in-fatal-grizzly-attack/

Chubon tried to shoot the bear, Hovinga said. “He grabbed [the pistol], was unable to make it fire,” Hovinga said. “There was not a round in the chamber, so the gun was empty. He couldn’t make the gun work.”

Nothing better than good old fashion revolver if afraid to carry with a round chambered.

[PaulDiracsDog]

Glock violating weapon safety rules LOL

[JTROKS]

I have 1911s and Glocks, although I favor the 1911 it doesn’t mean I won’t rely on the Glocks for self protection. Your ultimate safety is what’s between your ears that relays signals to your hands how to handle and manipulate mechanical features of the firearm. The last and final safety is your trigger finger.

I really hate reholstering a Glock in an IWB rig. Some IWB holster are better in design of course. I have to pay careful attention ensuring nothing near the holster’s opening that can possibly lodge between the trigger and holster’s top edge. The 1911 with the safety engaged I can just guide it into the holster opening without the fear of ND.

[IVC]

I've done some tactical training with 1911 and have found out the hard way that the best combo for self defense is a heavier trigger without safeties.

The "it's the brain" and "keep your finger off the trigger" works well for standard exercises where you have time and space to draw. However, once you start doing CQB, particularly with CCW setup in realistic cover garment, possibly in bad weather, some inherent flaws of the older platforms become apparent. One simple example is "thumb pectoral index" where your thumb is used for index, not for fiddling with a safety (and no, you can't really disengage the safety sooner because you'd be doing it while not in a shooting position). There are many more examples.

Light trigger will cause an ND in unusual situations such as awkward draws and shooting techniques. This is pretty much a mathematical certainty. Finger will have to get ready to shoot as many other things are happening and you're being bumped around. Even if you can completely control the trigger, you cannot control the garment flying around or additional physical contact that someone is exerting upon you.

This is coming from a guy who doesn't like Glocks and shoots mostly 2011/1911 guns in competition. Well, I now have a G-19 Tier 1 IWB holster...

[9Cal_OC]

I've done some tactical training with 1911 and have found out the hard way that the best combo for self defense is a heavier trigger without safeties.

The "it's the brain" and "keep your finger off the trigger" works well for standard exercises where you have time and space to draw. However, once you start doing CQB, particularly with CCW setup in realistic cover garment, possibly in bad weather, some inherent flaws of the older platforms become apparent. One simple example is "thumb pectoral index" where your thumb is used for index, not for fiddling with a safety (and no, you can't really disengage the safety sooner because you'd be doing it while not in a shooting position). There are many more examples.

Light trigger will cause an ND in unusual situations such as awkward draws and shooting techniques. This is pretty much a mathematical certainty. Finger will have to get ready to shoot as many other things are happening and you're being bumped around. Even if you can completely control the trigger, you cannot control the garment flying around or additional physical contact that someone is exerting upon you.

This is coming from a guy who doesn't like Glocks and shoots mostly 2011/1911 guns in competition. Well, I now have a G-19 Tier 1 IWB holster...

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

I've done some tactical training with 1911 and have found out the hard way that the best combo for self defense is a heavier trigger without safeties.

The "it's the brain" and "keep your finger off the trigger" works well for standard exercises where you have time and space to draw. However, once you start doing CQB, particularly with CCW setup in realistic cover garment, possibly in bad weather, some inherent flaws of the older platforms become apparent. One simple example is "thumb pectoral index" where your thumb is used for index, not for fiddling with a safety (and no, you can't really disengage the safety sooner because you'd be doing it while not in a shooting position). There are many more examples.

Light trigger will cause an ND in unusual situations such as awkward draws and shooting techniques. This is pretty much a mathematical certainty. Finger will have to get ready to shoot as many other things are happening and you're being bumped around. Even if you can completely control the trigger, you cannot control the garment flying around or additional physical contact that someone is exerting upon you.

This is coming from a guy who doesn't like Glocks and shoots mostly 2011/1911 guns in competition. Well, I now have a G-19 Tier 1 IWB holster...

What's stopping you from disengaging a safety while drawing to pectoral index?

[Dvrjon]

...best combo for self defense is a heavier trigger without safeties.
Light trigger will cause an ND in unusual situations such as awkward draws and shooting techniques..

[Scotty]

I've done some tactical training with 1911 and have found out the hard way that the best combo for self defense is a heavier trigger without safeties.

The "it's the brain" and "keep your finger off the trigger" works well for standard exercises where you have time and space to draw. However, once you start doing CQB, particularly with CCW setup in realistic cover garment, possibly in bad weather, some inherent flaws of the older platforms become apparent. One simple example is "thumb pectoral index" where your thumb is used for index, not for fiddling with a safety (and no, you can't really disengage the safety sooner because you'd be doing it while not in a shooting position). There are many more examples.

Light trigger will cause an ND in unusual situations such as awkward draws and shooting techniques. This is pretty much a mathematical certainty. Finger will have to get ready to shoot as many other things are happening and you're being bumped around. Even if you can completely control the trigger, you cannot control the garment flying around or additional physical contact that someone is exerting upon you.

This is coming from a guy who doesn't like Glocks and shoots mostly 2011/1911 guns in competition. Well, I now have a G-19 Tier 1 IWB holster...

So a HK USP in DAO would be the ideal pistol then? That 12 lbs half inch trigger pull must be the safest in the world.

[IVC]

Just curious, have you witnessed this or just observation based on CQB drills? This might shed some light and help OP and others.

Done it myself while fingers were frozen after hours of being in the rain, disengaging the safety as I am about to pass the "plane of presentation" (the point where you normally disengage safety on a draw with 2011) during turn and draw with shooting off of index (retention shooting) only to have my hand snag on the oversized t-shirt and move the gun enough in my hand as my trigger finger expected the gun to point towards the lower right part of the target. It didn't... It was an ND. And it happened at the last moment as I have already made the decision to put the finger on the trigger.

If you see it as a "keep your finger off the trigger until you have acquired your target," well, there was no target acquisition, only establishing an index. Also, as you're getting into shooting position that is NOT the standard two-handed-at-a-distance-infinite-time target shooting, you're going to have to get ready on the trigger at some point where your hand and gun are not free of obstructions and bumps or you will never get to the shot. A light trigger pull makes a huge difference in sending one off when you didn't intend in these types of scenarios.

[IVC]

What's stopping you from disengaging a safety while drawing to pectoral index?

The gun is not pointed in the correct direction until you establish the index, which is the purpose of that index in the first place - get the gun in the correct direction while making sure that you and your arms are out of the way.

So, the correct time to disengage the safety is when the index is established, but that's precisely the time when you cannot do it because your thumb is part of the index. Do it sooner and you're defeating the purpose of the index because you cannot guarantee that you are clear at that time.

[IVC]

You're correct - I stated my own experience with reasoning why my setup was wrong. I used a USPSA Single Stack gun, a highly upgraded SA 1911 with less than 2# trigger pull.

If I were to make a recommendation today, I would go with what the millions of people who study these things say, which is that the right pull is around 4-5# if there is no safety. As much as I don't like Glocks, I got the new appreciation for getting what I need out of the box instead of what I want... (except sights).

[IVC]

So a HK USP in DAO would be the ideal pistol then? That 12 lbs half inch trigger pull must be the safest in the world.

C'mon, there is a fine line. We DO know from the NYPD that too heavy trigger pull affects the ability to use the gun effectively.

I don't have the data nor the experience to make the determination of what's the best, but I can use the data and knowledge of those who study and know these things - too light is not good and too heavy is not good.