Disabling a safety feature

[IVC]

Ironically, the safety feature was mandated "for the children" - if they find a gun and play with it after removing the magazine, it won't fire.

However, by exempting LEO-s, the state is making a statement that a 3 year old child of an LEO doesn't need the same protection. It's an oxymoron - either the 3 year old is highly trained, in which case he wouldn't need the magazine disconnect in the first place, or the 3 year old who doesn't know anything about guns doesn't need the extra protection simply because his parent is an LEO.

Crazy.

[IVC]

Magazine disconnects make gun handling more dangerous.

In USPSA, at the end of a course of fire, the first command is "if you're finished unload and show clear." This requires removal of the magazine, pulling back the slide and confirming visually in TWO places that the gun is empty: breach of the barrel and magazine well. The next command is "if clear, hammer down holster." At this time, the competitor closes the slide and DRY FIRES as the last confirmation. However, if the gun has magazine disconnect, another magazine must be inserted, trigger pulled, then the magazine is removed. It adds reintroduction of magazine to the protocol and potential for forgetting it in the gun. Also, the initial clear of breach and magazine is no longer valid since magazine was reintroduced.

Magazine disconnect is overall a very bad feature that forces modification of the safety protocols that makes them less safe and all in order to supposedly help those who would play with guns, point them at someone else and pull the trigger.

[Yodaman]

....D?

[splithoof]

Magazine disconnects make gun handling more dangerous.

In USPSA, at the end of a course of fire, the first command is "if you're finished unload and show clear."

The folks I compete with have a different command at the end of a course of fire: "Place your weapon in it's holster in the condition you wish to carry it in".
Now, I get it why at other venues these rules are necessary, but it sets you up to having an unloaded weapon when you may actually need it later. Unless you have a designated "fiddle zone" that is the proper place to load/unload your weapon, the firing line at the end of a shooting exercise is the safest.
As for these "magazine safeties", IMO that is a completely ridiculous contraption that turns an otherwise useful weapon into an inefficient club.

[Sapperforward]

I did it for easy dry fire practice.

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[OCEquestrian]

"Disabling a safety feature" is such an unfortunate and potentially litigious phrase to use in a public forum to discuss something as simple and mundane as "removing CA required modifications"

[guitargeak99]

"Disabling a safety feature" is such an unfortunate and potentially litigious phrase to use in a public forum to discuss something as simple and mundane as "removing CA required modifications"

[OCEquestrian]

“unfortunate and potentially litigious”.........alrighty then.
Well.......(scratching my head here)....semantics aside, isn’t this “CA required modification” considered a safety feature?

I guess it all depends on your personal gun safety protocols and procedures as to if those modifications are considered "safety features" or not.

[Robert1234]

I don't like them. I disable them. If you like them, keep them. If you don't, disable them.

If you're scared of being sued for shooting someone who needed to be shot, then don't disable it.

Your gun, your money. Do what you want with it. But FFS, please stop with the nonsense scare tactics unless you have some direct, first-hand experience with it.

You'll notice some things, over time have become accepted safety features. Thumb safety on single action pistol comes to mind. Firing pin safeties are also probably a good thing, though apparently not necessary on a 1911 if you use a light firing pin and heavy firing pin spring. Some designs are independent of trigger operation, these are better IMO. Even better than that, don't drop your gun.

Some things not so much. Grip safeties fit this category. They're on the 1911, probably cause no company wants to be the first eliminate them (whatever company sells a 1911 with no grip safety, I'll be first in line to buy one) and for whatever reason, the XD, but not on the Browning High Power, CZ pistols (designed to be single action, or DA/SA with thumb safety), or any other gun I can think of made in the last 50 years.

Magazine disconnects aren't new. The High Power comes equipped with one. That doesn't mean they're a good (or bad) idea though. Only you can decide what is good for you.

[-hanko]

Thanks for just a little bit of common sense...

d

LEOs can buy guns without mag disconnects.

This “safety” feature is meant to keep show-off morons from dropping the mag, pointing the gun at a friend and pulling the trigger, “Ha-ha, the gun’s not loaded’”....BANG.

Which happened a year or 2 ago here in Idaho. To complete the story, that's what happens if you don't remember the 4-rules as have been posted..add to that, both.the shooter and shootee added just a bit of beer and reefer prior to the shooting.

Play stupid games, etc.

I don't like them. I disable them. If you like them, keep them. If you don't, disable them.

If you're scared of being sued for shooting someone who needed to be shot, then don't disable it.

Your gun, your money. Do what you want with it. But FFS, please stop with the nonsense scare tactics unless you have some direct, first-hand experience with it.

You'll notice some things, over time have become accepted safety features. Thumb safety on single action pistol comes to mind. Firing pin safeties are also probably a good thing, though apparently not necessary on a 1911 if you use a light firing pin and heavy firing pin spring. Some designs are independent of trigger operation, these are better IMO. Even better than that, don't drop your gun.

Some things not so much. Grip safeties fit this category. They're on the 1911, probably cause no company wants to be the first eliminate them (whatever company sells a 1911 with no grip safety, I'll be first in line to buy one) and for whatever reason, the XD, but not on the Browning High Power, CZ pistols (designed to be single action, or DA/SA with thumb safety), or any other gun I can think of made in the last 50 years.

Magazine disconnects aren't new. The High Power comes equipped with one. That doesn't mean they're a good (or bad) idea though. Only you can decide what is good for you.

I never met a mag safety I liked...I'm removing the one on a Ruger Mark III target pistol today.

If you're worried about a lawsuit after a good shooting, act intelligent and get yourself an attorney and liability policy prior to shooting.

Another blessing of living out of California is that my county sheriff doesn't ask about what kind of gun I'd like to carry either openly or concealed.

[boopiejones]

If I was on a jury, I would never convict someone who shot a bad guy. If you identify a bad guy, feel your life or someone else’s life is in danger and you pull the trigger and shoot said bad guy, it doesn’t matter to me if you removed a nanny state safety feature or not. You followed the 4 rules, intended to shoot, and had every right to do so. You’re innocent IMO.

[-hanko]

That is definitely the case in Idaho. I guess in California I'd expect an automatic filing of a civil complaint since the actor I shot "was jus' gettin' his life back together".

[saudadeii]

Only my Fullsize and Compact (1.0) M&Ps have mag disconnects, my Shield does not.

[SG29736]

The folks I compete with have a different command at the end of a course of fire: "Place your weapon in it's holster in the condition you wish to carry it in".
Now, I get it why at other venues these rules are necessary, but it sets you up to having an unloaded weapon when you may actually need it later. Unless you have a designated "fiddle zone" that is the proper place to load/unload your weapon, the firing line at the end of a shooting exercise is the safest.
As for these "magazine safeties", IMO that is a completely ridiculous contraption that turns an otherwise useful weapon into an inefficient club.

What competition are you refering to?

[splithoof]

What competition are you refering to?

That would be at our private club, which we operate as a hot range.
A safe handgun is one in a proper holster. Live the four rules, and life is good.