Handgun Roster Rant!!

[smittty]

IIRC there is a case challenging the roster headed to the SCOTUS where we have the best chance in recent history that it will be heard now that the court isnt packed with spineless POS cowardly traitors. Thanks Trump.

Given how the roster has had such a huge negative impact on the availability of basic firearms in common usage to CA residents, it looks like pretty much a slam dunk for any attorney fresh out of nightschool to win.

I wouldnt be surprised if the roster is struck down or at least seriously revised in the coming years.

I would be VERY surprised if they find that it infringes on the 2nd.

They just don't go against their own. They will find an exception or feel the current on roster availability is sufficient.

[newbie1234]

Not true. Some of the categories peace officers, who gained the privilege to buy off-roster guns may not sell it to the crowd.
However, LEO sales to the public are closely watched. No LEO would jeopardize his or her carrier over a small profit from off-roster sale.

No you're not correct.
OP there are other ways to get off roster handguns into Ca. To automatically assume that all the ad's are by LEO's is foolish, as I can not think of a single one I know that would risk his/her job to make a couple extra $$ on the side.

I do not ask if a LEO stupid enough risk his career for small profit, my question is :
(1) Can a CA LEO sell None Roster hand gun (10 rds) to a CA resident via PPT or not ?
(2) Does any law prevent this ?
(3) If yes then when did it happen ?

(BTW, interstate family transfer is an old story, everybody knew it)

[P5Ret]

I do not ask if a LEO stupid enough risk his career for small profit, my question is :
(1) Can a CA LEO sell None Roster hand gun (10 rds) to a CA resident via PPT or not ?
(2) Does any law prevent this ?
(3) If yes then when did it happen ?

(BTW, interstate family transfer is an old story, everybody knew it)

So you got the answer twice, and you still can't figure it out? There is no law that prevents the most common LEO's from selling off roster handguns. As has already been mentioned there are LEO's who were granted the ability to purchase off roster, but they can not sell them. If you need a clearer answer for exactly who that is, you can look it up yourself here https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1341645.

You really should work on your reading comprehension since neither of the other comments were directed at you.

[code_blue]

The federal laws for purchasing with the intent to sell for profit without a license is what got those LEO's (and potentially civis) who abused their exemptions.

[TrailerparkTrash]

[Milsurp1]

OP, military members who are California residents are also stuck with the roster restrictions.

[Yodaman]

Yup! Can anyone say Pasadena ?!?

[tomrkba]

aka Microstamping requirements, which was the last nail in the coffin for all gun manufacturers. LCI and magazine disconnect requirements also diverted manufacturers from pursuing business in CA

Not true. Some of the categories peace officers, who gained the privilege to buy off-roster guns may not sell it to the crowd.
However, LEO sales to the public are closely watched. No LEO would jeopardize his or her carrier over a small profit from off-roster sale.

LCI exist on almost every new gun I buy. Not an issue. Mag disconnects are a serious issue and I can see avoidance based on that. Obviously, the microstamping requirement is the real reason.

[onelonehorseman]

Yup! Can anyone say Pasadena ?!?

The cases I'm aware of were all based on Federal charges, due to CA LEO's flipping too many guns, and in essence becoming firearms dealers without a valid FFL to do so.

FWIW, I don't recall CA state being involved in these cases.

[nooner34]

Rape is carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will. No one is forcing anyone to buy the guns at these prices. It's free market type pricing and people are paying the premium. I don't agree with the pricing but it's the sellers choice to set the price. Why is that any different from an collectible firearm that is also highly sought after?

[FlyingShooter]

Rape is carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will. No one is forcing anyone to buy the guns at these prices. It's free market type pricing and people are paying the premium. I don't agree with the pricing but it's the sellers choice to set the price. Why is that any different from an collectible firearm that is also highly sought after?

Because a collectible is worth more due to rarity, out of production, etc. versus a gun in production at 2-3X the retail price.

[riderr]

LCI exist on almost every new gun I buy. Not an issue.

Those are most likely not CA compliant.

[Yodaman]

Handgun Roster Rant!!

The cases I'm aware of were all based on Federal charges, due to CA LEO's flipping too many guns, and in essence becoming firearms dealers without a valid FFL to do so.



FWIW, I don't recall CA state being involved in these cases.

Even with the new law in place regarding LE selling off rosters, umm do you really think anyone would enforce that law on their own brethren, laughable at best

Feds are LE brethren. They may be the press conference holding kind of brethren ([emoji6]) but brethren none the less.

[nooner34]

Because a collectible is worth more due to rarity, out of production, etc. versus a gun in production at 2-3X the retail price.

Poor comparison on my part, yes these are not collectors. But off-roster can be considered a rarity by those who cannot purchase outright.

[saudadeii]

This article even mentions Calguns!!

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Gun-Sold-by-Police-Officers-Turns-Up-at-Drug-Dealers-Home-Docs-478227783.html