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  • Mandingo27
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2017
    • 770

    Ca roster approved ar pistol

    What do you guy/gals think of the roster approved Franklin armory ar pistol? Do yall think it's going to be like the titan ballistics single shot crap where you will have to drill and make mods to make it a semi auto? Or will it come as a fixed mag? I'm really interested in it since my lwrc needs a sibling
  • #2
    PoorRichRichard
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 3046

    Some good info in the second post of this thread:

    I wonder what the CA trigger is like? Anyone heard more about the CA7?franklin-armory-ca7FRANKLIN ARMORY® CA7™ California OnlyRegular price $934.99Franklin Armory® CA7™ is Approved on California Handg
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    • #3
      Cokebottle
      Señor Member
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Oct 2009
      • 32373

      Originally posted by Mandingo27
      What do you guy/gals think of the roster approved Franklin armory ar pistol? Do yall think it's going to be like the titan ballistics single shot crap where you will have to drill and make mods to make it a semi auto? Or will it come as a fixed mag? I'm really interested in it since my lwrc needs a sibling
      It has no gas system.
      It is a straight pull bolt action pistol with a detachable magazine.
      It is not in a roster-exempt form, but being bolt action, it IS exempt from microstamping and assault weapon laws.

      DOJ has sent letters to FFLs indicating that the conversion of an SSE v2.0 to Semi-Auto constitutes "manufacturing" and is illegal. The same would apply to replacing the upper on the Franklin with a semi-auto upper.
      - Rich

      Originally posted by dantodd
      A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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      • #4
        Mandingo27
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2017
        • 770

        Originally posted by Cokebottle
        It has no gas system.
        It is a straight pull bolt action pistol with a detachable magazine.
        It is not in a roster-exempt form, but being bolt action, it IS exempt from microstamping and assault weapon laws.

        DOJ has sent letters to FFLs indicating that the conversion of an SSE v2.0 to Semi-Auto constitutes "manufacturing" and is illegal. The same would apply to replacing the upper on the Franklin with a semi-auto upper.
        Damn it DOJ. I was going to replace the upper with a semi auto I guess that is out of the question. Man that's hogwash I'm really disappointed

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        • #5
          Cokebottle
          Señor Member
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Oct 2009
          • 32373

          Originally posted by Mandingo27
          Damn it DOJ. I was going to replace the upper with a semi auto I guess that is out of the question. Man that's hogwash I'm really disappointed
          Nothing stopping you from doing that when you go shooting in a free state.
          - Rich

          Originally posted by dantodd
          A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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          • #6
            BONECUTTER
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2007
            • 2263

            Originally posted by PoorRichRichard
            Some good info in the second post of this thread:

            https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Fr...A7/122-733056/
            The good info in the second post of the thread are links to Calguns discussions.


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            • #7
              Mandingo27
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2017
              • 770

              Originally posted by Cokebottle
              Nothing stopping you from doing that when you go shooting in a free state.
              Yea but I dont really go to any free states so I guess I'll just try to get registered lowers

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              • #8
                plumbum
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2010
                • 5394

                Originally posted by Cokebottle
                It has no gas system.
                It is a straight pull bolt action pistol with a detachable magazine.
                It is not in a roster-exempt form, but being bolt action, it IS exempt from microstamping and assault weapon laws.

                DOJ has sent letters to FFLs indicating that the conversion of an SSE v2.0 to Semi-Auto constitutes "manufacturing" and is illegal. The same would apply to replacing the upper on the Franklin with a semi-auto upper.
                I’m not reading the same letter as you - the DOJ has simply said that by modifying the Franklin Armory bolt-action pistol you may violate current laws. That doesn’t mean you cannot legally modify the Franklin Armory pistol, which is on the approved roster for sale in CA, into a semi-auto pistol, as long as you comply with current laws.

                Please show explicitly where you believe the DOJ has said exactly what is illegal in regards to the Franklin Armory pistol.
                Originally posted by ysr_racer
                Please don't bring logic and reason into an interwebs discussion

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                • #9
                  beanz2
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 12024

                  Originally posted by Mandingo27
                  Yea but I dont really go to any free states so I guess I'll just try to get registered lowers
                  Either you have one now, or you won't.

                  That train has left the CA station. You can probably catch it in the next state.
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                  • #10
                    Mandingo27
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2017
                    • 770

                    Originally posted by beanz2
                    Either you have one now, or you won't.

                    That train has left the CA station. You can probably catch it in the next state.
                    I already have 1 but I wouldn't mind having another 1

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                    • #11
                      PoorRichRichard
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 3046

                      Originally posted by beanz2
                      Either you have one now, or you won't.

                      That train has left the CA station. You can probably catch it in the next state.
                      Originally posted by Mandingo27
                      I already have 1 but I wouldn't mind having another 1
                      It's really a matter of what you are willing to pay. I've thought about selling my registered pistol lower, but I really like it. On the other hand, if someone offered me upwards of $1000 for my mine, I'd probably sell it.
                      1A - 2A = -1A
                      Originally posted by Wherryj
                      If I had a nickel for every gender that exists...
                      ...I'd have $0.10.
                      Conservatives think liberals are people with bad ideas. Liberals think conservatives are bad people.
                      --- Dan Bongino
                      Originally posted by EM2
                      Some liberals are evil people out to control others. (Hillary, Pelosi, et.al.)
                      Many liberals are lemmings and will follow whomever espouses what they 'feel'.

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                      • #12
                        beanz2
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 12024

                        Originally posted by PoorRichRichard
                        Originally posted by beanz2
                        Either you have one now, or you won't.

                        That train has left the CA station. You can probably catch it in the next state.
                        Originally posted by Mandingo27
                        I already have 1 but I wouldn't mind having another 1
                        It's really a matter of what you are willing to pay. I've thought about selling my registered pistol lower, but I really like it. On the other hand, if someone offered me upwards of $1000 for my mine, I'd probably sell it.
                        And how do you plan on transferring a registered AR pistol?
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                        The wife will be pissed, but Jesus always forgives.

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                        • #13
                          leoan85
                          Member
                          • May 2015
                          • 236

                          Originally posted by Cokebottle
                          It has no gas system.
                          It is a straight pull bolt action pistol with a detachable magazine.
                          It is not in a roster-exempt form, but being bolt action, it IS exempt from microstamping and assault weapon laws.

                          DOJ has sent letters to FFLs indicating that the conversion of an SSE v2.0 to Semi-Auto constitutes "manufacturing" and is illegal. The same would apply to replacing the upper on the Franklin with a semi-auto upper.
                          Where are you seeing this DOJ info?

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                          • #14
                            Quiet
                            retired Goon
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 30241

                            Originally posted by leoan85
                            Where are you seeing this DOJ info?
                            On the CA DOJ BOF Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale website.

                            Originally posted by CA DOJ BOF
                            IMPORTANT INFORMATION
                            • All handguns listed are approved with or without night sights.
                            • Aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot pistols (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may be considered manufacturing these pistols into assault weapons. See California Penal Code section 30515, subdivision (a)(1), for a list of assault weapon characteristics. The purchaser could be in violation of Penal Code section 30600, prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons, and Penal Code section 30605(a), prohibiting the possession of unregistered assault weapons.
                            • Alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.
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                            • #15
                              sofbak
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 2628

                              "Aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot pistols...."

                              "Alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. "

                              The Franklin pistol is not a "single shot" pistol.
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                              Nose pickers gonna pick
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