Ca roster approved ar pistol

[Mandingo27]

What do you guy/gals think of the roster approved Franklin armory ar pistol? Do yall think it's going to be like the titan ballistics single shot crap where you will have to drill and make mods to make it a semi auto? Or will it come as a fixed mag? I'm really interested in it since my lwrc needs a sibling

[PoorRichRichard]

Some good info in the second post of this thread:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Franklin-Armory-CA7/122-733056/

[Cokebottle]

What do you guy/gals think of the roster approved Franklin armory ar pistol? Do yall think it's going to be like the titan ballistics single shot crap where you will have to drill and make mods to make it a semi auto? Or will it come as a fixed mag? I'm really interested in it since my lwrc needs a sibling

It has no gas system.
It is a straight pull bolt action pistol with a detachable magazine.
It is not in a roster-exempt form, but being bolt action, it IS exempt from microstamping and assault weapon laws.

DOJ has sent letters to FFLs indicating that the conversion of an SSE v2.0 to Semi-Auto constitutes "manufacturing" and is illegal. The same would apply to replacing the upper on the Franklin with a semi-auto upper.

[Mandingo27]

It has no gas system.
It is a straight pull bolt action pistol with a detachable magazine.
It is not in a roster-exempt form, but being bolt action, it IS exempt from microstamping and assault weapon laws.

DOJ has sent letters to FFLs indicating that the conversion of an SSE v2.0 to Semi-Auto constitutes "manufacturing" and is illegal. The same would apply to replacing the upper on the Franklin with a semi-auto upper.

Damn it DOJ. I was going to replace the upper with a semi auto I guess that is out of the question. Man that's hogwash I'm really disappointed

[Cokebottle]

Damn it DOJ. I was going to replace the upper with a semi auto I guess that is out of the question. Man that's hogwash I'm really disappointed

Nothing stopping you from doing that when you go shooting in a free state.

[BONECUTTER]

Some good info in the second post of this thread:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Fr...A7/122-733056/

The good info in the second post of the thread are links to Calguns discussions.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1488286

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1487186

[Mandingo27]

Nothing stopping you from doing that when you go shooting in a free state.

Yea but I dont really go to any free states so I guess I'll just try to get registered lowers

[plumbum]

It has no gas system.
It is a straight pull bolt action pistol with a detachable magazine.
It is not in a roster-exempt form, but being bolt action, it IS exempt from microstamping and assault weapon laws.

DOJ has sent letters to FFLs indicating that the conversion of an SSE v2.0 to Semi-Auto constitutes "manufacturing" and is illegal. The same would apply to replacing the upper on the Franklin with a semi-auto upper.

I’m not reading the same letter as you - the DOJ has simply said that by modifying the Franklin Armory bolt-action pistol you may violate current laws. That doesn’t mean you cannot legally modify the Franklin Armory pistol, which is on the approved roster for sale in CA, into a semi-auto pistol, as long as you comply with current laws.

Please show explicitly where you believe the DOJ has said exactly what is illegal in regards to the Franklin Armory pistol.

[beanz2]

Yea but I dont really go to any free states so I guess I'll just try to get registered lowers

Either you have one now, or you won't.

That train has left the CA station. You can probably catch it in the next state.

[Mandingo27]

Either you have one now, or you won't.

That train has left the CA station. You can probably catch it in the next state.

I already have 1 but I wouldn't mind having another 1

[PoorRichRichard]

Either you have one now, or you won't.

That train has left the CA station. You can probably catch it in the next state.

I already have 1 but I wouldn't mind having another 1

It's really a matter of what you are willing to pay. I've thought about selling my registered pistol lower, but I really like it. On the other hand, if someone offered me upwards of $1000 for my mine, I'd probably sell it.

[beanz2]

Either you have one now, or you won't.

That train has left the CA station. You can probably catch it in the next state.

I already have 1 but I wouldn't mind having another 1

It's really a matter of what you are willing to pay. I've thought about selling my registered pistol lower, but I really like it. On the other hand, if someone offered me upwards of $1000 for my mine, I'd probably sell it.

And how do you plan on transferring a registered AR pistol?

[leoan85]

It has no gas system.
It is a straight pull bolt action pistol with a detachable magazine.
It is not in a roster-exempt form, but being bolt action, it IS exempt from microstamping and assault weapon laws.

DOJ has sent letters to FFLs indicating that the conversion of an SSE v2.0 to Semi-Auto constitutes "manufacturing" and is illegal. The same would apply to replacing the upper on the Franklin with a semi-auto upper.

Where are you seeing this DOJ info?

[Quiet]

Where are you seeing this DOJ info?

On the CA DOJ BOF Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale website.

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

• All handguns listed are approved with or without night sights.
  
• Aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot pistols (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may be considered manufacturing these pistols into assault weapons. See California Penal Code section 30515, subdivision (a)(1), for a list of assault weapon characteristics. The purchaser could be in violation of Penal Code section 30600, prohibiting the manufacture of assault weapons, and Penal Code section 30605(a), prohibiting the possession of unregistered assault weapons.
  
• Alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.

[sofbak]

"Aftermarket changes or modifications made to certain single shot pistols...."

"Alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. "

The Franklin pistol is not a "single shot" pistol.