Ca roster approved ar pistol

[Quiet]

The Franklin pistol is not a "single shot" pistol.

This is correct.

The Franklin Armory CA7 is a bolt-action repeating pistol.

Which is the reason why it needed to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, in order to be sold in CA to non-exempt persons.

[DDM4556]

This is correct.

The Franklin Armory CA7 is a bolt-action repeating pistol.

Which is the reason why it needed to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, in order to be sold in CA to non-exempt persons.

So for the knuckleheads out there like myself, the Franklin armory pistol CAN be converted?

[BONECUTTER]

So for the knuckleheads out there like myself, the Franklin armory pistol CAN be converted?

If DOJ says:

Alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun.

They could also say:

Alterations of a bolt action repeading pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun.

Or worse:

Alterations of a on roster semi automatic pistol (i.e. Changing color. triggers, Barrel, ect) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun.

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

Exactly.

They are only referring to Modifications of the single shot- not the bolt action.

[sofbak]

". ..may also be considered... "

Key word: may. DOJ is attempting a FUD campaign here.

But you should read the original thread on the CA7 that was started by FA. This has already been hashed through there.

[FlyingShooter]

This is correct.

The Franklin Armory CA7 is a bolt-action repeating pistol.

Which is the reason why it needed to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, in order to be sold in CA to non-exempt persons.

Quiet, I always highly respect your posts & knowledge on the site, but your just not making sense here.

You say you can’t install a gas tube or swap an upper in your opinion based off a doj letter regarding single-shot pistols.

But then say the FA CA7 is not a single-shot pistol, it’s a bolt action repeater.

*I think we all in agree that in a semi-auto condition it would require a fixed magazine.

[PoorRichRichard]

And how do you plan on transferring a registered AR pistol?

Go back a reread my post. It’s a registered “pistol lower”. If they were purchased prior to Jan 1st 2017 (check my dates- not positive on this), and we registered under the single shot exemption, I believe they are still transferable. This is why you’ll see them pop up here in the sales forum, and they’ll usually go for upwards of $700.

*I think we all in agree that in a semi-auto condition it would require a fixed magazine.

[Quiet]

Quiet, I always highly respect your posts & knowledge on the site, but your just not making sense here.

You say you can’t install a gas tube or swap an upper in your opinion based off a doj letter regarding single-shot pistols.

But then say the FA CA7 is not a single-shot pistol, it’s a bolt action repeater.

*I think we all in agree that in a semi-auto condition it would require a fixed magazine.

A bolt-action single-shot pistol is different from a bolt-action repeating pistol.

The main difference between the two is:
1. A single-shot pistol has a fixed 0 round magazine capacity and is typically loaded via single cartridge in chamber.
2. A repeating pistol has a fixed magazine capacity of 1 or more rounds or it has the ability to accept detachable magazines of any capacity size.

In regards to CA unsafe handgun laws...

A dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol that has never been semi-auto is exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.

A non-dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol is not exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.
A bolt-action single-shot pistol that was made from a semi-auto is not exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.
A bolt-action repeating pistol is not exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.
Therefore, they can only be transferred by a CA FFL dealer if an exemption is utilized or it is listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

In order to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, a manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating pistol needs to pass CA DOJ safety testing.
^Which the Franklin Armory CA7 has done.

[FlyingShooter]

^understood. I guess I just don’t see the difference in buying a gen 3 glock and having it cerakote’d, or changed the barrel/side vs adding a gas tube or different upper to the Franklin Armory CA7. All kinds of people add a new slide or have it cut for an RMR on their gen 3 glocks and that changes the roster status from when they were bought, and there doesn’t seem to be an issue as long as it stays within the law, i.e no threaded barrels, 10+rnd mags, etc.

So a long as you do the same with the CA7 pistol(fixed magazine, 10rnd mag, etc) I don’t see how it’s any different than modding any other on roster gun?

[Cokebottle]

Exactly.

They are only referring to Modifications of the single shot- not the bolt action.

At this time.

The letter refers to single shot because it is in response to queries or public postings (potentially on Calguns) about single shot.
The letter was issued before the Franklin announcement was made.

Presently, there is no letter specifically prohibiting the conversion of the bolt-action Franklin.
Open discussion, or inquiry of the DOJ will likely result in such a letter being issued.

The whole mess revolves around the redefinition of "manufacturing" to include "assembly of parts" in 2017.

[BONECUTTER]

The letter was issued before the Franklin announcement was made.

The letter was issued the same day the Franklin Pistol was added to the roster.

[franklinarmory]

At this time.

The letter refers to single shot because it is in response to queries or public postings (potentially on Calguns) about single shot.
The letter was issued before the Franklin announcement was made.

Presently, there is no letter specifically prohibiting the conversion of the bolt-action Franklin.
Open discussion, or inquiry of the DOJ will likely result in such a letter being issued.

The whole mess revolves around the redefinition of "manufacturing" to include "assembly of parts" in 2017.

For CADOJ, Franklin Armory, and the public, it's best to let sleeping dogs lie.

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

[Simi762]

A bolt-action single-shot pistol is different from a bolt-action repeating pistol.

The main difference between the two is:
1. A single-shot pistol has a fixed 0 round magazine capacity and is typically loaded via single cartridge in chamber.
2. A repeating pistol has a fixed magazine capacity of 1 or more rounds or it has the ability to accept detachable magazines of any capacity size.

In regards to CA unsafe handgun laws...

A dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol that has never been semi-auto is exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.

A non-dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistol is not exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.
A bolt-action single-shot pistol that was made from a semi-auto is not exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.
A bolt-action repeating pistol is not exempt from CA unsafe handgun laws.
Therefore, they can only be transferred by a CA FFL dealer if an exemption is utilized or it is listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

In order to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, a manually operated (bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action) repeating pistol needs to pass CA DOJ safety testing.
^Which the Franklin Armory CA7 has done.

All that considered how will this apply into making a magazine fed, pistol grip bolt action rifle capable of semi automatic fire?

[Califpatriot]

https://www.crpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Information-Bulletin-DOJs-Important-Notice-Regarding-Single-Shot-Pistols.pdf

Crpa's take