New AR Pistol for California, NOT A SINGLE SHOT

[franklinarmory]

DOJ raided a guy's house because they thought he tried to register an illegal assault weapon. In the course of their search, they found a bunch of other allegedly illegal guns, including an AR pistol with a Shockwave brace. The DOJ agents initially recommended he be charged with SBR possession for that particular pistol. However, once they took a closer look at the brace, they understood it wasn't a rifle but a pistol and dropped the SBR charge. (they did charge him for possession of an illegal assault pistol as it didn't have a bullet button or a fixed mag.) point being there's some evidence DOJ recognizes the difference between a brace and a stock in its enforcement role.

I got this from the DOJ report. Can discuss further if you are interested and want to PM me.

That could have been a discretionary prosecution. It is helpful, but I think I would need more evidence before attempting a brace pistol.

[far from tactical]

Can't wait to see a full picture of it.. and video of its use

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

That could have been a discretionary prosecution. It is helpful, but I think I would need more evidence before attempting a brace pistol.

As a buyer,maybe would be prudent to fix the mag,AOW the pistol, and then put on brace.
At that point a vertical foregrip would be A-OK as well.

Also flash hider would not need to be pinned because fixed magazine- correct?

[69ELKY]

In for a 9mm version!!

[caliguy93]

Still curious to hear the rational for why or how you were able to bypass the microstamping requirement to be put on the roster. From my understanding, unless grandfathered in, all new guns on the roster need that requirement.

[LEAD LAUNCHER]

California only requires micro stamping for Semiauto firearms, which this firearm is not.

[caliguy93]

California only requires micro stamping for Semiauto firearms, which this firearm is not.

I thought it would then just be exempt from the roster. Not approved for the roster.. hmm

[CALI-gula]

I thought it would then just be exempt from the roster. Not approved for the roster.. hmm

Think in terms of a Semmerling LM4. That was my inspiration when I was contemplating such a similar design for the AR. It's not semi-auto, but a slide that is manually operated on a multi-shot "repeater" with a detachable magazine. It looks like it would be a semi-auto pistol, but is not.

Yet, it's not subject to microstamping no different than revolvers that still need to be approved for the Roster. Multi-shot, but not semi-auto.

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[CandG]

That could have been a discretionary prosecution. It is helpful, but I think I would need more evidence before attempting a brace pistol.

Also, (against my recommendation to do so) many people successfully registered pistols with braces as BBRAWs. They sent pics with their braces on, DOJ has never rejected any of them or knocked on anyone's doors about them.

Again, not a 100% confirmation that braces are legal to use, but it seems to indicate that DOJ isn't willing to currently take the position that they aren't legal.

It is perhaps worth a conversation with DOJ about, as something to pursue. And if they say yes, then it would answer the brace question for not only your pistol, but everyone's.

[Moemoe1]

Will it be available at turners? Will it be available before newscum becomes governor?

[CALI-gula]

Will it be available at turners? Will it be available before newscum becomes governor?

Now why do you have to go and put that out there.... think positive!!!!

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[Moemoe1]

Lol sorry man, this election is making me nervous haha

[franklinarmory]

Also, (against my recommendation to do so) many people successfully registered pistols with braces as BBRAWs. They sent pics with their braces on, DOJ has never rejected any of them or knocked on anyone's doors about them.

Again, not a 100% confirmation that braces are legal to use, but it seems to indicate that DOJ isn't willing to currently take the position that they aren't legal.

It is perhaps worth a conversation with DOJ about, as something to pursue. And if they say yes, then it would answer the brace question for not only your pistol, but everyone's.

If true, that is great evidence that it is legal.

[Lefty1911]

I love that this has become a thing, it's very innovative and allows us to have an AR pistol option with a detachable mag. My only concern is the time between fallow up shots. What about making it pump action? It would definitely speed up the process of chambering a new round due to the fact that the action is where your support grip should be.

Also would love to see this in .458 SOCOM.

[SVGUY]

What about making it pump action? It would definitely speed up the process of chambering a new round due to the fact that the action is where your support grip should be.

Like a seperate attachment below the handgaurd, which would push back the
charging handle. You or someone else might want to create your own company design and making such add-on product yourself. Crazy ideas.. keep em coming!