New AR Pistol for California, NOT A SINGLE SHOT

[ssilver88]

Man I need to pick one of these up when I get back from deployment

[Scratch705]

hmmmm, this may get me to finally buy an AR pistol.

i'll probably put that kingpin system on from the other calgunner so i don't have to worry about a locked in mag after installing the gas tube.

btw since it is a pistol, we can install those braces right?

[basicedition]

If someone were to add a gas tube and one of those modified bolt catches (the kind that locks the bolt back after every shot and must be manually pressed to send it forward) would they still be able to use detachable magazines?

[pipeline1]

Is it crazy to get one of these and just keep it as bolt action? I think it’s pretty cool as it

[Califpatriot]

"may" be considered....

So, it also "may not" be.

Thanks for once again clearing something up, DOJ

Also, since the unsafe handgun manufacturing law only applies within California, it can be avoided by connecting your gas tube in Arizona or Oregon.

[Califpatriot]

Even if you fixed mag on this pistol? Is it possible to even create an AW out of a fixed mag pistol/rifle?

No, so long as it's a fixed mag. Some things that purport to be fixed mag devices may not be so.

[Califpatriot]

hmmmm, this may get me to finally buy an AR pistol.

i'll probably put that kingpin system on from the other calgunner so i don't have to worry about a locked in mag after installing the gas tube.

btw since it is a pistol, we can install those braces right?

I would not suggest advertising your intentions in this regard. And read up about concerns regarding the kingpin.

[DontWorryScro]

So I know it was stated these were being lined up for distributors in the coming weeks but I am able to add to cart on the website and get my payment method in order to complete sale. Is this working as intended?

[Scratch705]

I would not suggest advertising your intentions in this regard. And read up about concerns regarding the kingpin.

intents to what?

add a gas tube, which is allowed, and adding a pistol brace, which is also allowed for pistols.

and if you are inferring my intent to shoulder, BATF even released their opinion that shouldering a pistol brace is ok. and CADOJ has no opinions on shoulder a brace.

i am even going to install a mag locking device to conform to the new AW regulations/law. unless the version franklin installs is easy to use / legal for semi-auto use, i may not even need to buy my own. just a different rear pin setup that will capture the upper when it is open.

where in my post has anything illegal been stated?

[Califpatriot]

intents to what?

add a gas tube, which is allowed, and adding a pistol brace, which is also allowed for pistols.

and if you are inferring my intent to shoulder, BATF even released their opinion that shouldering a pistol brace is ok. and CADOJ has no opinions on shoulder a brace.

i am even going to install a mag locking device to conform to the new AW regulations/law. unless the version franklin installs is easy to use / legal for semi-auto use, i may not even need to buy my own. just a different rear pin setup that will capture the upper when it is open.

where in my post has anything illegal been stated?

I'm talking about the gas tube. As I've said here and elsewhere, I think it's legal. Others have suggested it may not be. The recent notice from DOJ suggests that they may not consider it legal under the unsafe handgun manufacturing prohibition

[franklinarmory]

So I know it was stated these were being lined up for distributors in the coming weeks but I am able to add to cart on the website and get my payment method in order to complete sale. Is this working as intended?

We encourage dealer and distributor orders, but if you're dealer won't stock it, you can purchase off of our website, and we will ship it to your designated FFL. Your local dealer can probably provide you the best pricing.

[Scratch705]

I'm talking about the gas tube. As I've said here and elsewhere, I think it's legal. Others have suggested it may not be. The recent notice from DOJ suggests that they may not consider it legal under the unsafe handgun manufacturing prohibition

may is not a legal standing.

so until the CA legislature comes out with a law that specifically says "you cannot add a gas tube to ar pistols to modify them to semi-auto status after their sale" i don't care what the opinions are of anyone else.

or i can install a separate pistol upper then. no law on the books now that says you can't swap uppers on pistol lowers.

[DontWorryScro]

We encourage dealer and distributor orders, but if you're dealer won't stock it, you can purchase off of our website, and we will ship it to your designated FFL. Your local dealer can probably provide you the best pricing.

Good to know. Thanks. I'll probably wait a while so I can hear out all the arguments about legalities and compliance in regards to altering the gun after purchase before I make a move.

[franklinarmory]

Good to know. Thanks. I'll probably wait a while so I can hear out all the arguments about legalities and compliance in regards to altering the gun after purchase before I make a move.

Two things on this:
1. We went the extra mile to test the Pistol for the Roster so that our customers would know with certainty that it was legal.
2. While I cannot provide legal advice or encourage anyone to modify their firearm, I can say this... CADOJ was going to place a warning on our Roster listing like they did with previous models. However, I had a constructive dialog with CADOJ staff where we discussed that the Franklin Armory Pistol was certified not-unsafe, and therefore by definition could not be unsafe. The recent warning posted on the website specifically relates to "Single Shot Pistols." If they meant for that stipulation to apply to certified "not-unsafe" rostered pistols, don't you think they would have stated as much especially after I just discussed this with them?

My interpretation of that timeline is that CADOJ is trying to discourage SSE in favor of Rostered firearms.

[Nickbowen5]

Doj just issued a bulletin to Dealers saying that modification to bolt action or single shot exempt pistols is considered manufacturing