Glocks

[ShadyatBest]

What's wrong with the grip angle?

nothing is wrong with it. Some people just can't adapt to different things. I hate to see these guys try to use someone else's silverware. They must go hungry?

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[aye_dre]

The trigger safety was something I had trouble with and would cause me to shoot high left.

I don't see Glock Safety listed on that chart...



Might be YOUR trigger control.

You missed the "I had trouble with" part. Never blamed the the Glock, but Glocks are not for everyone

[Tango_Down]

Glocks are so simple sometimes they disassemble themselves.

[HawkMan]

Glocks are so simple sometimes they disassemble themselves.

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How would something like that happen?

[socal147]

As stated, not many parts and pieces. Cleaning is as simple as looking at it. Inexpensive and built to last that way. Pull trigger ... pew ... pew .... pew.

[tomrkba]

I have a huge stack of Glocks. It is currently small compared to what I used to have.

It comes down to good accuracy, high reliability and ease of maintenance and modification. Low cost used to be on the list but that has changed.

Frankly, a Glock 19 with KKM barrel, match slide lock, sights that you like, and custom trigger (such as Agency Arms) is a helluva good gun. Even in CA with retardo mags it still is excellent.

But, out of the box, it is not the best. It is still very good and only the S&W M&P 9 M2.0 Compact matches it for size, capacity, and general defensive utility.

[AFTII]

- No thumb safety to forget to disengage when drawing (at the time 1911s and Beretta 92 ruled the law enforcement and military world and failure to disengage the safety is common...Glock sought to fix this).
- Like the 1911 has the same pull weight for every pull. That makes it much easier to master than DA/SA guns and speeds up the time it takes for new shooters to become competent. The Beretta's 92s first heavy DA pull followed by a light SA pull is a hard combination to master. Glock sought to fix this).
- Unlike the 1911 the trigger safety combined with the medium-light pull weight helps prevent negligent discharges (I said helps...but nothing beats proper training and safety habits). Yet the pull is still significantly lighter than the Beretta's first DA pull. (So again, easier to master.)
- Comparatively low number of parts that are designed well and in a way to eliminate points of failure.

Basically he took things people liked about the two most common guns used by Law Enforcement and looked for ways to remove their flaws while including their positive attributes in terms of how people performed while using them under stress, all while eliminating mechanical points of failure. Where the argument comes into play is whether or not he succeed, or if those things he considered to be flaws were actually real. I think Glocks are awesome. I also think 1911s are awesome. Which makes me a rare duck. Not a huge fan of Berettas or DA/SA guns...but get why people who like them do.

God, you are such a fanboy.

No thumb safety - Glock leg. Given that the 1911 is about 70 years older than the Glock, it would be called 1911 leg if it was an issue with 1911s.

Same trigger pull like a 1911. Yea, right. Even that awful Hudson has a better trigger pull than a bone stock Glock. As does just about every DAO revolver on the planet.

The trigger safety is not infallible. I've tried to wack a Glock with my palm into battery, and guess what? It went bang with no finger on the trigger. Once in a million occurrence? Maybe, but every mechanical devise fails. Every one.

Glocks easier to master than a 1911? Really? 1911 has a better trigger and a more natural grip. Even a monkey can be trained to take the safety off while drawing. Seriously.

You are correct in your assertion that Glock has less parts. Less parts = less machining = less costly to produce = higher profits. Glock was and is in it for the $$$, not to produce a super pistol as evidenced by the way his competition is passing him by.

OP, please don't get the impression that I don't like Glocks. The fact is, I own a bunch of them. But, I recognize them for what they are, somewhat imperfect tools. The heart of any firearm is its trigger, and Glock triggers generally suck. They have a long heavy pull and generally do not break consistently. That's a big reason why a lot of people anticipate and pull shots low and left (right handers).

As for your quandary, one of the best Glocks is the Gen 4 G19. Throw in an Overlook Precision np3 coated trigger, trigger bar and (-) connector and you'll have about the smoothest, safe, Glock trigger you can buy.

But, before you buy a Glock, check out the S&W M&P 2.0 Compact. You'll probably be glad that you did.

P.S. The only Gen 5 Glock that's worth looking at is the 19X. I have so many reasons why, but I can already feel the heat building from the fanboy's fire, so just rent a Gen 5 G19 and give it about 10 rounds then look at your pinky. The 19X doesn't have that stupid cut out.

[Rifle ronin]

Glocks are so simple sometimes they disassemble themselves.

:O
How would something like that happen?

A 1911 owner/Fanboi that hates glock so much, (because they are so awesomely efficient) bought a glock and hacksawed it then posted it on the internet and claimed " It just blew up on me"! All because Glocks are far less expensive but so much better than 1911's.

[L84CABO]

Striker fired guns also have a consistent trigger pull...same pull...each time...every time. No DA/SA trigger to have to learn. Very simple.

[rodralig]

A lot of people say they love Glocks because of how simple they are, can someone explain this? How is a Glock more simple than other handguns?


Also, I plan to purchase a Gen 4 Glock 19 in a few months when I move to AZ. Anything I should know before I buy? (e.g. I've heard some people mention the term, "Glock finger")

LEAST number of component parts. If I would remember, it is about just 30. Hhhmmm...


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[meno377]

....and all that is negated by the stupid grip angle.

Grip angle works for me. The main reason why I have Glocks and of course reliability.

[AFTII]

:O
How would something like that happen?

Probably a stock Glock .40 S&W shooting reloads. Stock Glock chambers are unsupported and a Glock will fire if the gun is slightly out of battery. The unsupported case bulges the first time its shot in a Glock chamber. Most reloading dies will not remove the bulge. When the budged case is reloaded, it can prevent the gun from fully going into battery. The result is called a Kaboom. The picture is an example of a Kaboom.

To avoid the problem don't shoot unknown reloads through a Glock.

[rodralig]

Grip angle works for me. The main reason why I have Glocks and of course reliability.

+1 on that...


What grip angle?

Unless one is constantly drawing from the holster, ie., action shooting, etc. Does it really matter?

In a square range, you have all the time in the world to "adjust" your wrist to complement the pistol's "grip angle."

Yes, my H&K USP Expert has a different angle than my Glock 34. But since I don't use my USP in matches, it doesn't really matter. I'm as accurate, or maybe more accurate, with my USP than my Glock in a square indoor range.

But then again - this can always be practiced. I initially liked/preferred the grip angle of the 1911; but being TLC-heavy (Tender Loving Care) I decided to go with a Glock and just practiced with it...



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[omega]

lots of people complain about the plastic sights, but those are part of the design, they can be easily replaced with simple tools if necessary, replacement sights are less than $10, I keep a spare set, and they work just fine.

you could do it yourself, no gunsmith required

[HawkMan]

lots of people complain about the plastic sights, but those are part of the design, they can be easily replaced with simple tools if necessary, replacement sights are less than $10, I keep a spare set, and they work just fine.

you could do it yourself, no gunsmith required

Is there any reason to keep the stock sights? I hear that's the #1 thing people change on Glocks.