FN Five Seven vs Smith and Wesson 357 Revolver?

[357manny]

What's the best cheapest most reliable 22lr?

[Milsurp Collector]

What's the best cheapest most reliable 22lr?

Cheapest doesn't usually go with best and most reliable. .22LR revolvers are more expensive than semiautos, so if cheap is important go with semiauto. For .22LR semiautos on the roster, one of the versions of the Browning Buck Mark:

[Mikemass]

I see a lot of posts claiming the 57 is more expensive to shoot. They both cost $18/box at my local range. A lot more options for 357 but it's not cheap to shoot either.

I view the 57 as a money is no object alternative to a 22lr or 22mag.

[fmunk]

Unless you live in a really bad area, invite trouble to your home... realistically what are the chances that you'll need either for "home defense"?? Alright, fine. If that's the excuse you want to use to buy one of these two toys... I'll play. Get a 357mag revolver.

In light of new CA regulations on ammo purchases, 357mag is much easier to reload. Plus, 357mag will likely be more common to purchase off the shelf and probably less costly... if only slightly. More on this later.

The 5.7 is a lot of fun and shoots like a laser. However, with practice and training you can overcome that hurdle with the revolver. Plus, you said home defense? Why would you need a laser for close quarters?? If you can't hit a target at those distances, should you even be trusted with a firearm?

Furthermore, how much practice do you think you'll need and can you afford to burn through the ammo required? Your local shop might stock 5.7, but how many? and at what % mark-up? More likely than not, the answer is "not much" and "a lot". With 5.7, it only makes sense to mail order as much as you can now while you still can and at low (if not lowest) market prices. Once the new laws go into effect, it will be harder to come by AND difficult to reload. Double whammy. Ammo costs might not be much different between 5.7 and 357mag at the LGS. But, seriously, what moron buys ammo from LGS?? The mark-ups on any caliber is ludicrous. If you mail order now, you can easily get quality remanufactured 357mag at good prices. Good luck finding remanufactured 5.7 at any price. If you want to say even more for plinking (or "home defense") you can get remanufactured 38spc.

For about the same money as the FN, you could get a Rhino in a variety of barrel lengths; up to 6". It won't be a carry gun so who cares about size, right? The Rhino's unconventional configuration makes felt recoil feel like a 9mm. Muzzle rise is much reduced compared to a conventional 357mag revolver. Plus, once you decide to move on from it, it's unique and desirable enough for resale purposes... just like the FN. Yes, the Rhino's grip is short and it looks funny (so does the FN). Get over it. It ain't that big of a deal.

Some knucklehead will chime in and say, "yah but dealing with Chiappa for warranty is probably a pain". I've personally worked with them twice in the last 6 years on a early production 40DS. Both times they fixed and returned in a timely manner; free of charge despite being out of warranty. Correspondences were always cordial and timely. Current production examples have redesigned internals and are flawless. These new internals can be installed into early production. Early production does not accept moon clips. Current production does.

[Milsurp Collector]

I view the 57 as a money is no object ridiculously more expensive alternative to a 22lr or 22mag.

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Two main selling points of the FN Five-seveN:

• 20 round capacity magazine. A moot point in California.
• Can fire armor piercing ammo. The armor piercing version of the ammo is not available to civilians, so again a moot point.

In California, a 10-shot .22LR semiauto handgun can do virtually everything a 10-shot FN Five-seveN can do, at a fraction of the cost for both the gun and the ammo.

In testing by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, they found the post penetration performance underwhelming, with penetration depth of 10 inches or less in standard gelatin tests. Houston PD SWAT found pretty much the same thing. The FBI recommends that a given load should penetrate ordinance gelatin a minimum depth of 12″ to a maximum of 18″ . The FN round is the functional equivalent of an ice pick.the French Defense Ministry has purchased and equipped their support troops with an arm that in semi-auto mode is less capable than a snubnose .38 revolver that was manufactured during the Jimmy Carter administration.

Again-why handicap yourself?

https://www.quora.com/Are-armor-piercing-FN-5-7%C3%9728mm-rounds-for-the-FN-Five-Seven-legal-to-carry-in-Florida

[Unsilenced]

im not a fan of 38 for several reasons but one is that i read a study awhile back that found more people survive getting shot by a 38 than a 22.

Let's think about that for a second. Which of the two scenarios do you think is more likely:

A: Adding mass and diameter to a round of similar velocity actually, legitimately reduces its leathality under otherwise identical circumstances.

or

B: Shootings with .38 are more likely to be defensive shootings with rapid, poorly placed shots at range while the .22's are more likely to be used for up-close murders by people who can't afford or just don't happen to own/have stolen anything better.


If you look at the statistics for one-shot stop percentages, failures to stop, average shots-to-stop etc, you'll notice that 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP are all fairly similar to one another, but get absolutely dominated by .22LR and .25 ACP. In fact, those "mouse gun" rounds group up with .44 and .357 magnums in most metrics, if not surpassing them!


Just to give you an idea of how silly of a metric this "% of hits that were fatal" thing is, here's a few more calibers[1].

.22LR: 34%
.25 ACP: 25%
.38 Special: 29%
.45 ACP: 29%
.40 S&W: 24%
9mm Luger: 24%
.357 Magnum: 34%
.44 Magnum: 26%

That's right folks, Dirty Harry should have carried a Walther P22 if he really wanted to do some damage!

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[Revolver_Guy]

Since you don't have a revolver yet, I would say go ahead and get the S&W. You can never go wrong with a S&W revolver, they are the finest handguns ever made imo (other than Colt revolvers) and they will always work as long as you maintain them. They're a classic icon of American history and they are just plain badass. Plus the .357 magnum round is a monster

[cheetah45]

I have both the FN 57 and a S&W Model 28. The main advantage of the 5.7 is the hi cap magazines that don't mean squat here. I bought the 5.7 on speculation. The Model 28 was my first firearm that I bought when I was 18 years young and I have had it for almost 40 years. It is a delight to shoot and extremely accurate. I say get both and I highly recommend the N-frame Smith.

[Milsurp Collector]

If the OP had done this poll right and said "I have 3 guns: a 9mm handgun, a bolt-action 8mm Mauser, and an AR. I want to get my 4th gun, what should I get?"

• FN Five-seveN
• .357 revolver
• .22 handgun
• .22 rifle
• 1911
• Glock
• 12-gauge shotgun
• M1 Rifle

How many votes would the FN Five-seveN have received as the best choice for his 4th gun? I say it would have gotten zero votes. Even the people in this thread who said get the Five-seveN wouldn't have voted for it over all of the other choices.

[Full Clip]

im not a fan of 38 for several reasons but one is that i read a study awhile back that found more people survive getting shot by a 38 than a 22.

Link?
Or did you actually hear this from a "guy" at your LGS?

[stilly]

LoL. People struggle with this? I would only buy a 5-7 to keep as a safe queen.

I DO like them and they are cute, but the round is ballistically impotent...

[ACfixer]

What's the best cheapest most reliable 22lr?

Gotta love Calguns.

[gryffinwings]

Well it seems that it's a mixed bag on how people feel about the FN Five seveN.

Pros:
-Lighter Loaded than a Glock unloaded
-Really Low recoil
-Very Flat Shooting
-Accurate
-High Velocity for a handgun bullet
-Price of bullets have come down
-It's unique, at least to me.

Cons:
-Relatively expensive
-Can't get 20 round mags til I leave California one day, boo hoo.... I'll deal.
-Doesn't hit hard, big woop, I have a 9mm CZ-75 SP-01, which I'm fine with.

Anyways, I get what people are saying, about the cons and stuff, I just don't see it that way.

[Milsurp Collector]

Well it seems that it's a mixed bag on how people feel about the FN Five seveN.

Pros:
-Lighter Loaded than a Glock unloaded (So is a .22LR handgun, at a fraction of the price)
-Really Low recoil (Not lower than a .22LR handgun, at a fraction of the price)
-Very Flat Shooting (So is .22LR at handgun ranges, at a fraction of the price)
-Accurate (So is a .22LR handgun, at a fraction of the price)
-High Velocity for a handgun bullet (But still inadequate for self-defense)
-Price of bullets have come down (But will always be much more expensive than .22LR)
-It's unique, at least to me. (So are other weird, not useful guns)

There isn't anything an FN Five-seveN can do that a .22LR handgun can't do as well, or better, at a fraction of the price.

Anyways, I get what people are saying, about the cons and stuff, I just don't see it that way.

Why ask for people's opinions

What do you guys think?

if you have already made up your mind, are going to dismiss opposing opinions, and only want to hear from people who will reinforce what you have already decided? Next time just start a thread that says "I think FN Five-seveNs are really cool, who else thinks they're really cool?"

Colion's comments at the end of this video sums it up pretty well

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