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  • DonaldBabbett
    Banned
    • Aug 2014
    • 828

    Revolver vs Self-loading Pistol

    Revolver Advantages

    1. safety- much safer by design to handle and store loaded for security especially for a layman: trigger with heavy pull, lacks self-loader's sensitivity: the ability to rest a hammer over an empty chamber for safe stowage and carry

    2. reliability- not likely to misfire, jam or otherwise malfunction

    3. instant load type selection: carry a birdshot round in one of the chambers in snake country and bullet loads for protection against other kinds of animals in adjacent chambers: rotate cylinder to dial in to desired ammunition type without shooting undesired round types out of the way as you would have to in a clip pistol

    4. easier to clean and oil without complex field stripping

    5. accuracy: the barrel along with the iron sights are rigidly fixed to the frame: in a self-loader, the barrel and slide with the sights affixed to it move or float independently while firing so the position of the barrel relative to the sights and frame may be less consistent: having the barrel remain stationary relative to the frame is important in shooting with natural pointing instincts as well whereby aiming precisely by the sights is not emphasized

    6. less perceived recoil in larger calibers because their is no moving slide to slam backwards especially in a heavier frame




    Self-loader Advantages:


    1. new models can often be purchased cheaper than new-model revolvers

    2. rapid rate of fire: firepower

    3. high round capacity

    4. slim, flat profile easier to conceal than round revolver

    5. fast reloading with spare clips (magazines)
    Last edited by DonaldBabbett; 06-09-2017, 8:44 PM.
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    357magnum
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2014
    • 1219

    Thanks, good to know.
    sigpic"Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I am kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me."
    -Al Capone-

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    • #3
      Dooder
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 1514

      What's the point of this? I find it very debatable. And sounds like a gun store salesman and not very accurate like a salesman haaha.

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      Man, this place has gone bonkers.

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      • #4
        CouchOperator
        Veteran Member
        • May 2016
        • 4353

        Originally posted by DonaldBabbett
        Revolver Advantages

        1. safety- much safer by design to handle and store loaded for security especially for a layman: trigger with heavy pull, lacks self-loader's sensitivity: the ability to rest a hammer over an empty chamber for safe stowage and carry

        2. reliability- not likely to misfire, jam or otherwise malfunction

        3. instant load type selection: carry a birdshot round in one of the chambers in snake country and bullet loads for protection against other kinds of animals in adjacent chambers: rotate cylinder to dial in to desired ammunition type without shooting undesired round types out of the way as you would have to in a clip pistol

        4. easier to clean and oil without complex field stripping

        5. accuracy: the barrel along with the iron sights are rigidly fixed to the frame: in a self-loader, the barrel and slide with the sights affixed to it move or float independently while firing so the position of the barrel relative to the sights and frame may be less consistent: having the barrel remain stationary relative to the frame is important in shooting with natural pointing instincts as well whereby aiming precisely by the sights is not emphasized

        6. less perceived recoil in larger calibers because their is no moving slide to slam backwards especially in a heavier frame




        Self-loader Advantages:


        1. new models can often be purchased cheaper than new-model revolvers

        2. rapid rate of fire: firepower

        3. high round capacity

        4. slim, flat profile easier to conceal than round revolver

        5. fast reloading with spare clips (magazines)


        Revolvers:


        1. You cant buy safety. Regardless of the gun its up to the shooter.

        2. Youve clearly never seen a revolver out of timing, or a late primer after the trigger has been pulled again and the cylinder has rotated before delayed detonation...

        3. People dont count rounds when being violently mauled by an individual. Quit living in fantasy land.

        4. Most people overclean theur guns, and id argue a glock is easier.

        5. I call shenanigans. Making a blanket statement like that is ignorant, and im guessing you arent that great of a shot cUz Dat gRiP aNglE oF tEh gLoCk iS jUsT S0 h0rRifIc aNd rEndErS yOu UseLesS

        6. Semi autos soak up felt recoil through what ia known as a "recoil spring and guide rod"

        Semi autos:

        1. Depends on the gun. Again, pointless blanket statement.

        2. Rate of fire is dependant on the person. Jerry Miculek can shoot a revolver faster than most people can run a glock. Firepower doesnt mean **** if you're shooting faster than you can make accurate hits.

        3. Probably the only true statement youve made so far. *Slow clap*

        4. Id wager a snub nose is easier to conceal than a 21sf. Again, dumb blanket statement.

        5. Its a magazine. Might as well just get it right the first time
        Last edited by CouchOperator; 06-09-2017, 9:14 PM.

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        • #5
          Chapped Hide
          Veteran Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 3901

          I'll never get that 2 minutes back
          **** your feelings!

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          • #6
            doggie
            Banned
            • Apr 2017
            • 719

            Why isn't black powder in this here comparisons?

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            • #7
              Kwikvette
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2015
              • 3704

              If you've got a revolver and visible abs, can you still operate?

              Originally posted by longrange1
              my gun shoots better with shiny brass...plus not only does the shiny brass make me look like a pimp at the range if the sun catches it just right it blinds the guy next to me which improves my odds of winning the match.
              Originally posted by XDJYo
              Full size. Stubbies are for sissies.

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              • #8
                808@515
                Senior Member
                • May 2013
                • 1047



                Who needs clips?

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                • #9
                  MyOdessa
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                  • Mar 2011
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                  • #10
                    rm1911
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 4073

                    Originally posted by Dooder
                    What's the point of this?k


                    Well, he was reading an old copy of guns and ammo from 1986, and thought there was some timely information inside that everyone should know.

                    Also in the magazine was "30-06 vs 270, what you thought you knew" and "The untold story of the M1 garand".
                    NRA Life Member since 1990

                    They're not liberals, they're leftists. Please don't use the former for the latter. Liberals are Locke, Jefferson, Burke, Hayek. Leftists are progressives, Prussian state-socialists, fascists. Liberals stand against the state and unequivocally support liberty. Leftists support state tyranny.

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                    • #11
                      DonaldBabbett
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2014
                      • 828

                      Originally posted by CouchOperator
                      Revolvers:


                      1. You cant buy safety. Regardless of the gun its up to the shooter.

                      2. Youve clearly never seen a revolver out of timing, or a late primer after the trigger has been pulled again and the cylinder has rotated before delayed detonation...

                      3. People dont count rounds when being violently mauled by an individual. Quit living in fantasy land.

                      4. Most people overclean theur guns, and id argue a glock is easier.

                      5. I call shenanigans. Making a blanket statement like that is ignorant, and im guessing you arent that great of a shot cUz Dat gRiP aNglE oF tEh gLoCk iS jUsT S0 h0rRifIc aNd rEndErS yOu UseLesS

                      6. Semi autos soak up felt recoil through what ia known as a "recoil spring and guide rod"

                      Semi autos:

                      1. Depends on the gun. Again, pointless blanket statement.

                      2. Rate of fire is dependant on the person. Jerry Miculek can shoot a revolver faster than most people can run a glock. Firepower doesnt mean **** if you're shooting faster than you can make accurate hits.

                      3. Probably the only true statement youve made so far. *Slow clap*

                      4. Id wager a snub nose is easier to conceal than a 21sf. Again, dumb blanket statement.

                      5. Its a magazine. Might as well just get it right the first time
                      I retained this knowledge through reading countless articles of Gun Digest and other gun mags in the 1980's and 1990's. The knowledge of dialing in the revolver's cylinder to select a birdshot load came from an article about trail guns. I can't remember the name of the publication or the author.

                      I still give the nod to the revolver for personal defense over the self-loader overall when all is said and done.

                      I have fired my Smith & Wesson .38 Special 1000's of times without ever one malfunction at the range. No late primers, no timing issues and not so much of a peep of trouble. I could make groups much tighter with the Special than with my Colt Series 70 Govt. Model 45. If a D/A revolver's round were ever to misfire in an emergency situation, one could still pull the trigger in a hurry to continue to the next chamber in sequence to fire. Yes, the gun might blow up in my hand from a delayed round that is out of line with the barrel and discharges late but I might be dead by the time I have to pull the slide on a clip (magazine for you semantics purists) pistol to cycle the next round.

                      Clip is still a common word for magazine. It is easier to say.
                      Last edited by DonaldBabbett; 06-10-2017, 11:19 AM.

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                      • #12
                        CouchOperator
                        Veteran Member
                        • May 2016
                        • 4353

                        M....m....maga....maga-ga-ga-a...z-z....magaz...magaz.... *Deep breath*...magazzzziiiii...magazi...magazine....YES ! MAGAZINE! I DID IT!

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                        • #13
                          unusedusername
                          Veteran Member
                          • Sep 2008
                          • 4124

                          A couple of these are not entirely accurate.

                          A semi auto has a single chamber that is permanently attached to the barrel. A revolver has 4-10 chambers that rotate in front of the barrel. It's not possible to get every chamber on the revolver to line up exactly with the barrel the same way. The chamber to barrel interface has much more to do with repeatability and accuracy then the sights to barrel alignment does. Nearly all semi-autos are inherently more accurate then revolvers in the same price range. Both a semi-auto and a revolver is usually more accurate then the ammo, and much more accurate then the shooter. You have to put the guns in a rest with match ammo to even be able to measure the difference.

                          Revolvers can be loaded just as fast as semi-autos using moon clips or speed loaders. The advantage of the semi auto is that each magazine usually holds much more then a single speed loader. This advantage is reduced in California when the magazine can only hold 10 rounds, yet the revolver still has 8 rounds. The magazine advantage is moot when comparing an 8 round 1911 to an 8 round revolver.

                          A big advantage of semi-auto pistols that isn't even mentioned here is the trigger reset. Firing from the reset can improve groups considerably if you practice it a lot due to less trigger movement required on your second and all after shots. I've never seen a revolver with an intermediate trigger reset.
                          Last edited by unusedusername; 06-10-2017, 1:12 AM.

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                          • #14
                            5.56
                            Member
                            • May 2015
                            • 470

                            Clips are for hair. So far, all of my guns have not grown hair.

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                            • #15
                              robledo
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 978

                              #gunshopgary

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