AR Pistol

[HawkMan]

While at my local gun shop today I got to hold a featureless AR with the HERA CQR stock. Being a lefty, it is definitely one of the nicest featureless options I've seen so far.

So now I've decided that it's probably a good idea to add a featureless AR to my gun collection.

I've been wanting a 9mm AR for a while now because they can be used at indoor ranges and the ammo is less expensive.

Is there any way to buy an AR pistol in California or will I have to build one and go the 80% lower route?

[Mr. Torgue]

That time of the week for one of these threads, eh?

No you cannot buy an off the shelf AR pistol since they're not on the roster. You would have to do it through an 80% lower. Buying one of the second hand market right now is taking a risk as according to AW language a pistol that has a magazine outside of the magazine is an AW. It doesn't mention if fixed mag satisfies keeping it a non-AW.

Could have found most of that information with a search or reading the sticky.

[deephouse]

IIRC there are actually 2 AR pistols on roster let me see if I can dig up links..

EDIT:
Franklin Armory
SE-SSP SKU 3125-BLK / Steel Pistol 10.25" Bu 5.56 NATO 1/1/2018
SE-SSP SKU 3125-PNK / Steel Pistol 10.25" Bu 5.56 NATO 1/1/2018


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[Mr. Torgue]

IIRC there are actually 2 AR pistols on roster let me see if I can dig up links..

EDIT:
Franklin Armory
SE-SSP SKU 3125-BLK / Steel Pistol 10.25" Bu 5.56 NATO 1/1/2018
SE-SSP SKU 3125-PNK / Steel Pistol 10.25" Bu 5.56 NATO 1/1/2018


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Interesting, I stand corrected on the roster. I know they're a regular poster on here too. I wonder how they avoid AW status and it says it's single shot only.

I just looked at it and shows its out of stock from them. I wonder if that has to do with the new laws.

[HawkMan]

Interesting, I stand corrected on the roster. I know they're a regular poster on here too. I wonder how they avoid AW status and it says it's single shot only.

I just looked at it and shows its out of stock from them. I wonder if that has to do with the new laws.

It has a solid magazine well: http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp

May as well just build an 80% lower

[BagelBites]

That time of the week for one of these threads, eh?

No you cannot buy an off the shelf AR pistol since they're not on the roster. You would have to do it through an 80% lower. Buying one of the second hand market right now is taking a risk as according to AW language a pistol that has a magazine outside of the magazine is an AW. It doesn't mention if fixed mag satisfies keeping it a non-AW.

Could have found most of that information with a search or reading the sticky.

Actually, the PC does make the distinction for fixed mags:

30515
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

[morrcarr67]

You can buy an AR pistol from a dealer. They must be in a roster exempt form.



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[jcwatchdog]

Is it legal to convert this to a semi auto after purchase?

Isn't that the one that has the magwell unfinished? You could convert to semi auto last year, now if you do that, you would be manufacturing an AW. This was a nice option they added to the roster, but pretty much useless now.

[Mr. Torgue]

Actually, the PC does make the distinction for fixed mags:

30515
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

But an AR pistol has a shroud covering the barrel still triggering AW status.

[BagelBites]

But an AR pistol has a shroud covering the barrel still triggering AW status.

Read the first line, very carefully:

30515
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

It doesn't matter if it has a shroud, magazine outside of the pistol grip, second handgrip, any of those. If it has a fixed magazine, it's not an assault weapon.

[K001]

OP, find a ppt AR pistol w/fixed mag and you are gtg...my Spikes Tactical AR pistol has a AR Maglock for 'future' aw compliance and could be sold as such if the LGS is willing.

[HawkMan]

Read the first line, very carefully:

30515
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

It doesn't matter if it has a shroud, magazine outside of the pistol grip, second handgrip, any of those. If it has a fixed magazine, it's not an assault weapon.

OP, find a ppt AR pistol w/fixed mag and you are gtg...my Spikes Tactical AR pistol has a AR Maglock for 'future' aw compliance and could be sold as such if the LGS is willing.

I'm a little confused when it comes to the threaded barrel part... can you have a muzzle brake or thread protector?

Is it okay to have a featureless AR pistol with a detachable magazine?

E.g. HERA CQR Stock (Fixed Stock & No Pistol Grip), Thread Protector / Muzzle Brake

[deephouse]

No such thing as a featureless pistol.


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[deephouse]

The moment you put a stock on an AR Pistol, you've created an SBR.

So the, limiting factor behind this AW status for an AR Pistol... in short, is this:
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

... because we are talking about "any one of the following" and your AR Pistol is ALWAYS going to have the magazine location outside of the pistol grip.
In otherwords, you cannot go featureless, because your AR Pistol always has this feature.

Thus, for AR pistols (specifically) your only options are essentially
1) fixed magazine and breaktop reloading, many devices out there to accomplish this
2) fixed magazine and reload via ejection port (Mean Arms)

Of course, you can register it, but IIRC it's not quite clear as to whether or not you can remove your Bullet Button and have a regular magazine drop, after registration. Someone can correct me here if I'm wrong.

I'll admit these new laws took ALL THE FUN out of AR Pistols.

Me personally, I'm using the Mean Arms reloader. My rifles will be featureless.

Good luck!

[deephouse]

But an AR pistol has a shroud covering the barrel still triggering AW status.

If you're referring to a free float handguard... I'm not exactly sure its the same as a barrel shroud - but someone else is going to have to clarify that.

I think the argument is that the handguard is attached to the upper, not the barrel (itself)? Not sure...