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[Robert1234]

Close range: http://ogdaa.blogspot.com/2013/03/12...amage.html?m=1

Not the ideal round to kill a bad guy, but your misses won't kill your family or neighbor (and you will have misses).

If there was no reason to worry about who is on the other side of the wall(s), sure slugs or buckshot would be great. But inside a home, where your family could be behind the wall and your neighbors are in the house 30' away, I'll keep my shotgun loaded with birdshot, confident that 9 rounds of that will scare the tango away.

You want to do it different, go ahead, I'm not trying to talk anyone out of anything. But it would suck to kill a bystander (not the tango, who cares about him) while defending yourself.

Just sayin'

[BigPimping]

I am sure birdshot from a 12 gauge would stop an intruder. That's a powerful load.

[BrokerB]

Absolutely. .that college chick was a bit big boned, she was probably hopped up on green tea too. Probably explains why she just walks away from being blasted at maybe 20 feet from 12ga birdshot.

Hopefully the perp your hallway has duck wings so they will atleast break when you shoot. : )

[Robert1234]

Absolutely. .that college chick was a bit big boned, she was probably hopped up on green tea too. Probably explains why she just walks away from being blasted at maybe 20 feet from 12ga birdshot.

Hopefully the perp your hallway has duck wings so they will atleast break when you shoot. : )

I also subscribe to rule #1: live in a neighborhood where break-ins are NOT common. But if a big-boned college chick, hopped up on green tea does break in, I'm fairly confident I'll be able to either dissuade her of the notion of continuing the evolution she has undertaken, or stop her with my 9 rounds of 12g birdshot. I won't be aiming for her "wings" either. And I'll do it without killing my neighbor.

But you go ahead and continue with your slugs or buckshot. As I said, you're not my neighbor so it bothers me not at all what path you choose.

[Robert1234]

Shot placement trumps all. I shoot you in the hand with a .500 Magnum and you'll still be able to continue fighting. You'll be fighting one-handed, but still fighting. Does this mean the .500 Magnum is not a good man-stopper? No, it just means I'm a lousy shot.

[Lead Waster]

I have not shot this 1911 very much, I shoot my rifles a lot more.

If it is really your HD gun, you better take it out and shoot it!

In particular, find at least two magazines for it that are rock steady reliable.
Lights, lasers, etc, etc ... all useless if you can't absolutely rely on the gun to fire when you need it.

IMHO.

[BrokerB]

[Lead Waster]

Flashlight is a nice touch. I now know where you are and where to shoot. I never did get where that reasoning came from. Keep your light source separate, arms length to deflect your center of impact. JMO

I briefly thought about this and dismissed it. Having a light on your gun doesn't preclude the use of a separate flashlight in your other hand, and if you need to use your other hand to, say, open a door or deflect a thrown lamp or whatever, you want that light on your gun.

And really, have you ever looked in the general direction of one of those "tactical" lights? If you can actually aim AT the light source or someone behind it, you must be wearing sunglasses... and who aims in a home invasion gunfight anyway?

I mean, we all have our philosophies (and imagination), but just having a light on your gun doesn't mean you HAVE TO turn it on, but you have the option to. Not having one on your gun means 100% that you can't.

Lets face it, if you haven't actually trained to do any fancy flashlight/shooting, most likely you are better off with a gun mounted light.

IMHO

[BrokerB]

Especially if its an older 1911 feed ramp....

Round ball yes, hp/semi wad cuter anything else might be stove top cooking.

[Robert1234]

That's what all the kids are doing these days, right?

Sorry, I'm beyond that. That's why I consider my backstop (that's the stuff behind your intended target, the stuff you're going to hit when your buckshot or slugs over penetrate). Cause I'm a grownup.

Again, shot placement rules. 9 rounds of well placed birdshot in any room in my house will end the fight. Without killing my neighbors or family.

[Lead Waster]

Another school of thought states that with your light attached to your gun you have to point your gun at anyone you're trying to identify; son/daughter/spouse coming home late, dog, cop responding to your 911 call.

Just something to think about.

It is actually possible to own two flashlights. Having one attached to your gun is not mutually exclusive of having another one in your hand.

And the "splash" of the light means that in a house, most likely you can identify people even if the flash is not aimed at them... might be different outdoors for sure, but like I said ... you can have another flashlight.

[Lead Waster]

I'm no expert, but it SEEMS to me, from the youtube vids we've all seen...usually, even if a home invader is armed, once the shooting starts, they tend to run off, shooting random shots behind them.

Now two things come to mind at that point ...

1) You don't really need to actually hit them to make them run off

2) If you DON'T disable them and they are taking pot shots at you...one of their potshots might hit a family member in another room. Most likely THEY don't care about over-penetration and have loaded up whatever they stole or bought from Walmart.

So ... you don't want to over penetrate, but you are likely going to be more careful and mindful of stray shots ... but THEY won't be, so maybe it's better to put whatever is necessary in your firearms so that they are not capable of sending lead in your direction which is probably the same direction as your family.

Seems to me hollowpoints are actually safer then. If they don't penetrate as much (your neighbor's stucco across the street).

[Robert1234]

It is actually possible to own two flashlights. Having one attached to your gun is not mutually exclusive of having another one in your hand.

And the "splash" of the light means that in a house, most likely you can identify people even if the flash is not aimed at them... might be different outdoors for sure, but like I said ... you can have another flashlight.

Ok, two flashlights, one on gun, one in hand. Now what? You're kind of making my argument, only now you have a heavier gun in one hand.

Again, do it any way you want, I'm not trying to convince you to change, just giving you things to consider.

[Robert1234]

I'm no expert, but it SEEMS to me, from the youtube vids we've all seen...usually, even if a home invader is armed, once the shooting starts, they tend to run off, shooting random shots behind them.

Now two things come to mind at that point ...

1) You don't really need to actually hit them to make them run off

2) If you DON'T disable them and they are taking pot shots at you...one of their potshots might hit a family member in another room. Most likely THEY don't care about over-penetration and have loaded up whatever they stole or bought from Walmart.

So ... you don't want to over penetrate, but you are likely going to be more careful and mindful of stray shots ... but THEY won't be, so maybe it's better to put whatever is necessary in your firearms so that they are not capable of sending lead in your direction which is probably the same direction as your family.

Seems to me hollowpoints are actually safer then. If they don't penetrate as much (your neighbor's stucco across the street).

My over-penetration argument was directed at the buckshot/slugs in a shotgun crowd.

And just cause the tango is a moron doesn't mean any my bad decisions won't be held under a microscope.

If you're shooting at a retreating dirt bag in California, you're going to have a lot of explaining to do to the authorities. But as long as you don't shoot any bystanders, you probably won't go to jail.

Same if you're shooting at a guy 50 yards away. Unless you have a really long hallway, and he is inside your house, and you're sure it's a bad guy (at 50 yards, with limited lighting).

Again, do what you want. I'm not trying to make you change your ways, just giving you things to consider.

[Stripeknight]

Can you guys go argue in a different thread please.. ;p