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[tbc]

Well you asked so, I prefer the before gun to the added rail and light. My house contains enough illumination in various areas that I don't need to have a light on my weapon. For me, I'm standing at the head of the stairs and waiting for the worst to arrive below me in the low light of the night. If I have to go downstairs I can turn on some of those lights from upstairs.

That ^^^ is the setup that I have in my house as well. The light hanging on my HD weapon is just for backup for power outage scenario and it does not have to be turned-on all the time.

[BrokerB]

Robert1234

You are 100% wrong thinking birdshot will stop an intruder.

I have seen a college aged women take a 12 gauge load t to her shoulder and still operate. .walk around.

It is far from a "1 hit wonder'

[AKexpat]

I don't believe in HD weapons without lights, when the power goes out you don't want to be fumbling in the dark searching for a flashlight.

Holy Cow! How often do you have a power failure? If you have frequent ones, why would you "fumble" for a flashlight?

If a home invasion does happen at night during a power failure, I would hope you would have a good flashlight in the immediate vicinity of your HD weapon (I do) instead of searching for one. Hold the flashlight with your weak hand away from your body to illuminate the perp and use your strong hand to eliminate the threat.

I don't like a light on a pistol. If you turn it on before or while you are aiming at the perp, you are a perfect target because the perp will shoot right into you.

The light signifies the target for the perp.

I'm sorry, but I am old school and don't subscribe to the new "bling" rails and add-ons. You Kalifornia folks seem to have much more "mad" money than I do.

This is what some of you folks need, but I don't think it is on the roster.



Have a good day!

Jim

[Robert1234]

Robert1234

You are 100% wrong thinking birdshot will stop an intruder.

I have seen a college aged women take a 12 gauge load t to her shoulder and still operate. .walk around.

It is far from a "1 hit wonder'

Never said one hit wonder. What I said was that at the distances you're likely to find in your home it will likely be more than sufficient to stop the threat, either by incapaciting him or scaring him off, while minimizing the chance of an errant shot exiting your home and entering your neighbor.

[AKexpat]

Never said one hit wonder. What I said was that at the distances you're likely to find in your home it will likely be more than sufficient to stop the threat, either by incapaciting him or scaring him off, while minimizing the chance of an errant shot exiting your home and entering your neighbor.

^^^^^ What he said.

At 15' or less birdshot will produce a nasty rathole wound if hit in the center of mass. It matters not if one uses #9 skeet loads or #6 field loads. The shot string is short, even using a cylinder choke.

I would not like to be the EMT trying to save the perp. Nor would I like to be the perp.

I once made a lucky shot on a pheasant at 65 paces with a Win Model 12 16 gauge full choke using #7-1/2 shot, and the farmers that owned the land we were hunting on said that the bird was so badly hit that they would not eat it.

If one knows how to handle the shotgun, it is a great s**t disturber to any intruder. I would take an 870 12 gauge for home defense over my 1911 .45 ACP any day.

Jim

[rm1911]

Robert1234


I have seen a college aged women take a 12 gauge load t to her shoulder and still operate.

College aged women operating? Damn. Now that's hot!!!

[BrokerB]

I will post the video of a guy shooting a woman with birdshot. If it was an armed bad guy he would easily have returned sustained fire. She was maybe 20 feet away.

You are delusional thinking birdshot will be anything close to a defensive round.

Go put some bird shot in your hand and feel the "mass".

[BrokerB]

Oh...and as far as weapon mounted lights. The folks who are saying the bad guyjust aims at the light.. I call BS. Gonhave someone shine a 300 lumen + light at you as younare creeping around in the dark. You cant see crap.

If the light was such an aim point why do swat/police and military still use weapon mounted lights?

[Robert1234]

Oh...and as far as weapon mounted lights. The folks who are saying the bad guyjust aims at the light.. I call BS. Gonhave someone shine a 300 lumen + light at you as younare creeping around in the dark. You cant see crap.

If the light was such an aim point why do swat/police and military still use weapon mounted lights?

Ok you win.

Birds hot at room distance won't hurt college girls and weapon lights will stop bad guys from shooting you.

Later Gecko45.

[Trriemferent]

You cant put a Streamlight flashlight on a Surefire rail

[BrokerB]

I have not seen many birdshot videos on live humans. .. she walks away..sure in shock but completely able to shoot back is wanting too

https://youtu.be/_F_KuFzjOGA

When is the last time you had a 300+ lumen light shined in your eyes being in the dark? Im going to say not recently. Go try it sometime. You must have super vision if you could aim anyway halfdecent besides point
shooting.

[XDJYo]

Speaking of rails, this thread has gone off it...

OP-Nice 1911! I too am a believer in a railed HD weapon. First person to get shots ON TARGET, wins. Better chance of doing that with two hands. Shine any decent weapon light into the bad guys face, their first & natural reaction is to squint and turn away, while we put rounds into them if they are a threat. I just sold my 1911 Loaded in order to buy a railed XD 45. I carry my Les Baer during the day while I'm at home. (No CCW in Contra Costa County).

It will be easy to get enough spill from a rail mounted light to recognize anyone in front of us with the gun pointed at the low ready.

I want any/every advantage on my side if the poo ever hits the fan. Two handed grip, the bad guy brightly lit up and he can't see me...

[BigPimping]

00 Buck is different than birdshot. It's more like a whole bunch of 9 millimeter rounds. As a paramedic in the Bay Area for many years, I have seen countless gunshot wounds inflicted on human tissue.. I can assure you that double O Buck works extremely well. Also a lot easier to use in the dark. 27 yes of 911 experience is the basis for this opinion.

[JaeFern]

00 Buck is different than birdshot. It's more like a whole bunch of 9 millimeter rounds. As a paramedic in the Bay Area for many years, I have seen countless gunshot wounds inflicted on human tissue.. I can assure you that double O Buck works extremely well. Also a lot easier to use in the dark. 27 yes of 911 experience is the basis for this opinion.

Right, but your original comment mentioned that a 45 would have too much penetration for home defense, and the video shows that 00 buck has plenty of penetration itself. So if your original concern was over penetration, then bird shot would be what you would suggest for home defense... based on your original response or course 😂

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[BrokerB]

and birdshot is crap for a chosen defense load...