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  • #46
    bmdman
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2016
    • 12

    Originally posted by SamGoldstein
    Calm down. If there is no market for ivory, then there will be no poachers. The elephants are DEAD. Nothing will bring them back to life. So why make people that enjoy ivory suffer for illegally harvested ivory? The actual poachers should be punished, not the people in the market for ivory. Their loss is our gain.



    BTW, I find it the height of hypocrisy that Kommiefornia allows people to buy marijuana legally, even though it is FEDERALLY illegal and harms users, but wanting to buy some ivory from a dead animal, you go to jail like you were a mass murderer.


    I won't try to explain California's illogical ways of legislation but I would encourage everyone to look deeper into the elephant and rhino poaching and black market ivory trade to see how REALLY BAD this situation is. It is STILL a problem, along with the mountain gorillas.


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    • #47
      FeuerFrei
      Calguns Addict
      • Aug 2008
      • 7455

      I've got some ivory wood grips with Celtic cross that look fantastic.

      Many others to choose from too.



      Sent using 2 cans and a long string.

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      • #48
        LowThudd
        Veteran Member
        • Dec 2011
        • 3608

        Originally posted by ElvenSoul
        I like these too. http://www.woodcaliber.com/store/p51...088_Holly.html

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        • #49
          LowThudd
          Veteran Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 3608

          Originally posted by SamGoldstein
          Well, you know what this means? Giraffes will be hunted down and killed for their bones. Now we need another law to stop the market for giraffe bones!
          Plenty of camels around though. Plus they are domesticated, so renewable. I also think the camel bone looks nicer.

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          • #50
            1911cat
            Member
            • Jul 2016
            • 355

            You can get Bone grips, the closest you'll get to ivory

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            • #51
              ElvenSoul
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Apr 2008
              • 17431

              These on clearance $55

              Custom Handgun Pistol Grips- Wicked Grips makes pistol grips and parts for the top handgun models including the 1911, Glock, Desert Eagle, CZ 75 and Beretta
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              • #52
                SamGoldstein
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 1011

                Originally posted by LowThudd
                Plenty of camels around though. Plus they are domesticated, so renewable. I also think the camel bone looks nicer.

                Meh. I'm going to Africa to bring back a couple elephant tusks. BTW, what happens to the ivory of an animal that dies of natural causes? Is it useful?

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                • #53
                  tanks
                  Veteran Member
                  • Dec 2014
                  • 4038

                  Originally posted by bmdman
                  I won't try to explain California's illogical ways of legislation but I would encourage everyone to look deeper into the elephant and rhino poaching and black market ivory trade to see how REALLY BAD this situation is. It is STILL a problem, along with the mountain gorillas.

                  ...
                  And by banning hunting they take away conservation dollars that fuel anti-poaching efforts.
                  "... when a man has shot an elephant his life is full"- John Alfred Jordan
                  "A set of ivory tusks speaks of a life well lived." - Unknown

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                  • #54
                    bmdman
                    Junior Member
                    • Apr 2016
                    • 12

                    Originally posted by tanks
                    And by banning hunting they take away conservation dollars that fuel anti-poaching efforts.


                    Well I believe there is still some legal big game hunting going on. Although bringing anything back to the USA might be a problem. They have been promoting photo safaris and bush adventures which help to offset that prior income loss



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                    • #55
                      Quiet
                      retired Goon
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 30242

                      Originally posted by SamGoldstein
                      Meh. I'm going to Africa to bring back a couple elephant tusks.
                      AFAIK...

                      Starting 07-06-2016, Federal laws prohibits the importation of ivory from Africa, unless it's for scientific purposes and importation is approved by the US State Department. [16 USC 4223 and 50 CFR 23]

                      No, US State Department approval means US Customs will confiscate it.
                      Criminal penalties equates to 1 year in Federal prison with a $10,000 fine per piece of ivory.
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                      "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                      • #56
                        Mytmoss
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2012
                        • 813

                        Originally posted by SamGoldstein
                        Meh. I'm going to Africa to bring back a couple elephant tusks. BTW, what happens to the ivory of an animal that dies of natural causes? Is it useful?
                        If the elephant dies of natural causes, the ivory is removed from the elephant and stored by the land owner or a government agency. They cannot be sold.

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                        • #57
                          tanks
                          Veteran Member
                          • Dec 2014
                          • 4038

                          Originally posted by bmdman
                          Well I believe there is still some legal big game hunting going on. Although bringing anything back to the USA might be a problem. They have been promoting photo safaris and bush adventures which help to offset that prior income loss
                          ...
                          It has hurt. Also, do you think your average photo safari/bush adventure tourist will use facilities like this? No running water per se, electricity via generator for only a few hours, 8 hour drive through the bush to get to the camp.




                          "... when a man has shot an elephant his life is full"- John Alfred Jordan
                          "A set of ivory tusks speaks of a life well lived." - Unknown

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                          • #58
                            VaderSpade
                            Vendor/Retailer
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 4274

                            Originally posted by Quiet
                            with historical documentation demonstrating provenance and showing the antique to be not less than 100 years old.[/b]
                            They tried this crap with Mountain Lion rugs and such. The burden of proof is on them, but I'm sure they will still prosecute.

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                            • #59
                              VaderSpade
                              Vendor/Retailer
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 4274

                              Originally posted by anonymouscuban
                              Sorry to sound like a dick but why would you support the Ivory trade?
                              Elephants are not endangered and have been making a good comeback THANKS to Hunters.
                              These are the facts but most liberals never let facts get in the way of their narrative.

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                              • #60
                                anonymouscuban
                                Senior Member
                                • Feb 2017
                                • 1440

                                Originally posted by VaderSpade
                                Elephants are not endangered and have been making a good comeback THANKS to Hunters.
                                These are the facts but most liberals never let facts get in the way of their narrative.
                                Apparently you don't let facts get in the way either. You also make wild assumptions on one's political views.



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