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[Stripeknight]

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[beanz2]

AK47 .... When you absolutely, positively, got to kill every living thing out there; accept no substitutes



LOL

[Stripeknight]

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[JTROKS]

I have handguns in 10mm and 44 Magnum. I'm not sure how you can pick the 10mm over the 44 Magnum for penetration, speed and power. There is no 300 grain bullet available for the 10mm. I'm not saying the 10mm is not powerful enough against a black bear, but I'd rather use 200 grain bullets with the 10mm for tough heavy boned dangerous animals.

[calif 15-22]

But won't the bears laugh at you pointing a Glock at them?

I kid of course . . . Very well thought out there OP. I don't know if it's for me, but you gotta go with what you have.

[hermosabeach]

For big animals- look for momentum. Mass times velocity

Shooting a water buff in africa- big heavy solid bullets- slow

Speed and bullets breaking up / not retaining weight is correlated



The depth of penetration is a cross sectional density formula, much more than just foot pounds.




I have shot mild steel tubing where a .45, 9mm, and 38 dented the steel. A 44 mag went through both sides- more mass, more velocity.




The 10mm is good for game if- and only if- you find 10mm ammo that is loaded to 10mm spec.


The semi auto is easier to carry and conceal than a 6" 44 mag.


The 460 Rowland is awesome as it mimics light 44 mag loads but it need a brake... so your hearing can / will be damaged....

[ElvenSoul]

Dead Bears don't eat hikers

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/08/dean-weingarten/alaskan-hiker-stops-charging-brown-bear-at-6-feet-with-10mm-handgun/

[dfletcher]

I own both 10mm & 44 Magnum revolvers and a semi 10mm and not invested in "which is better?". Just a few observations -

I've been too close to a bear while carrying a 44 Magnum revolver, it happened to be a 3" Smith & Wesson. It's amazing how undergunned you feel with any handgun and even a modest sized black bear - this one was about 450 lbs.

I noticed the chart shows up to 240 grain bullets for the 44 Magnum. It ought to show the heavier and solids too, for a better comparison.

I'm curious as to where the charts came from. And note some interesting figures, such as the 44 losing nearly 180 fps going from a 7" to a 6" barrel, but nearly nothing going from 6" to 5". From what I read of charts the 44 Magnum shoots anything of the same weight faster and handles heavier bullets.

Bullet type should also be considered and whether one handloads.

[otteray]

Can you get the data for a .41 Mag 260 gr / 16"@ 1500fps or 6" @ 1200fps barrel? Hard cast gas checked lead. I'm just curious since this round is .411"

[ElvenSoul]

More dead bears

Believe that is 5 now

https://youtu.be/sQrYwt7K6LY

[WMG]

Nothing wrong with being a 10mm fan ...... but anyone thinking it outclasses a 44mag ..... isn't thinking ... or thinking too much (drops mike)

[WMG]

It's amazing how undergunned you feel with any handgun and even a modest sized black bear

I'd have to say you are telling the truth ... cause I've had the same exact thoughts.....

[ElvenSoul]

Nothing wrong with being a 10mm fan ...... but anyone thinking it outclasses a 44mag ..... isn't thinking ... or thinking too much (drops mike)

Does not out class but proven to work.

Hell of a lot easier to tote around.

[Stripeknight]

Nothing wrong with being a 10mm fan ...... but anyone thinking it outclasses a 44mag ..... isn't thinking ... or thinking too much (drops mike)

No one said anything about outclassing if we are talking about similar barrel lengths, we are talking about the advantages of the 10mm when weight is factored in.

:drops mic:

[ar15robert]

Id feel better with a 44 mag but will feel fine with a 10mm also.

For ca i think the 10mm is plenty fine now maybe grizzly country id prefer a .44 mag at minimum