Something Completely Different

[floogy]

I think the legal definition of a machine gun is that it can fore more than 1 bullet with each pull of the trigger. That gun might be considered a machine gun.

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Yeah, unless there's an exemption we don't know of. The ATF could exempt a gun, though the maker would run the risk of that decision being reversed.

The double barrel 1911 has two separate triggers so that's how they get away with it. This seems to have just one. The definition is not based on the mechanism and mainly the number of rounds fired per trigger press.

Not that I have interest in a .25 ACP anything but I'd rather have 6 trigger pulls than 3.

[CandG]

Yeah, unless there's an exemption we don't know of. The ATF could exempt a gun, though the maker would run the risk of that decision being reversed.

The double barrel 1911 has two separate triggers so that's how they get away with it. This seems to have just one. The definition is not based on the mechanism and mainly the number of rounds fired per trigger press.

Not that I have interest in a .25 ACP anything but I'd rather have 6 trigger pulls than 3.

Exactly... all the legal pitfalls of owning a machinegun, with none of the fun. Sign me up

[Paladin]

I think the legal definition of a machine gun is that it can fire more than 1 bullet with each pull of the trigger. That gun might be considered a machine gun.

Yeah, unless there's an exemption we don't know of. The ATF could exempt a gun, though the maker would run the risk of that decision being reversed.

The double barrel 1911 has two separate triggers so that's how they get away with it. This seems to have just one. The definition is not based on the mechanism and mainly the number of rounds fired per trigger press.

Not that I have interest in a .25 ACP anything but I'd rather have 6 trigger pulls than 3.

Exactly... all the legal pitfalls of owning a machinegun, with none of the fun. Sign me up

It is not considered a machine gun. See video in post #14

[The Gleam]

I think the old saying goes something like this... If you shot me with a .25 ACP, and I found out about it, I would be really mad.

But two at one time?

Well, that's like getting shot with a frangible round in .50 caliber!

[stevemac]

I bet it produces a tight single trigger pull grouping.

[deephouse]

That's just cute. =)

[Paladin]

Never buy a 25 ACP pistol.

If you do buy one or one is given to you it is Okay just do not ever buy any ammo for it.

If you buy ammo for your 25 ACP you will be temped to shoot it and maybe even use it for self defense.

And god forbid you were to do this you may actually shoot a bad guy with your 25 ACP.

You would most likely hurt this person and they would be very angry at you and hurt you.

Cute Cooper quote, but we now know a LOT more about terminal ballistics and bullet construction than Cooper ever did, much less what he did back in the 1970s....

http://smith-wessonforum.com/firearms-knives-other-brands/128543-25-acp-ballistic-test-vs-22-long-rifle.html

Not that I have interest in a .25 ACP anything but I'd rather have 6 trigger pulls than 3.

I bet it produces a tight single trigger pull grouping.

You get three "double taps" of .25 acp, which is equivalent to .22 LR from a short barreled revolver. Plenty of people have been killed by .22 LR. The idea of taking 6 of them to the chest in groups of 2 does not appeal to me. As someone once said, "No one likes to bleed."

[Che762x39]

This is interesting:

6 shot 25acp, fires two rounds with each trigger press.

Estimated price - $300. For that, I'd buy one as a curiosity.

I think I'd still rather have a J frame over it for personal protection.

-- Michael

So you send two rounds at a bad guy? Okay at five feet but at 30 feet you will hit two witnesses. Dumbness only topped by the DNC.

[Paladin]

So you send two rounds at a bad guy? Okay at five feet but at 30 feet you will hit two witnesses. Dumbness only topped by the DNC.

So you claim to know how well the barrels are regulated even though it is not yet for sale....

Plus, those various .410 revolvers -- not to mention regular shotguns -- send more pellets downrange with each pull of their triggers, whereas this sends bullets down its rifled barrels.

Like the video in the OP said and like you'll see in the 200+ shootings linked in my sig line, the vast majority of self-defense shootings in public take place at close range, like within 15' and most within 9' (3 yards). While it may not be your cup of tea, I would not want to be on the receiving end of it's volleys.

ETA: I like that it's .25 acp: centerfires are more reliable than rimfires, thus better for self-defense use.

DAO is great for self-defense too and the completely enclosed mechanism is great for pocket EDC.

Anyone familiar with the standards for our CA Roster? Will this pass muster for sale in CA, if and when it is available? (assuming the manufacturer even wants to mess w/this, ahem, messed up state's laws & regs)

[MrOrange]

This is the first time I've heard of the "volley fire" exemption to the machine gun definition. The Arsenal Twin .45 initially had a single trigger, but was defined as a machine gun by the ATF. Going to a two-trigger set-up was how they got around that one.

This new pepperbox might appeal to the average Taurus Curve buyer. Besides any shooting issues, I really don't like the fact that you have to put your finger in front of the muzzle to extract the empties. I realize that the chance of a discharge while the pistol is broken open is very remote, but it's just bad form.

Another +1 to change the caliber. I'm thinking .327 Fed. A shooter who is sensitive to bounce & blast could always load it with .32 H&R, or just .32 S&W.

Here's another Cooper quote as to caliber, when he was writing about JMB designing the High Power:

Not being a fighting man, he thought about caliber reduction. Two light blows do not do the work of one heavy one, as any boxer can tell you, but Browning was not a boxer either.

[floogy]

So you claim to know how well the barrels are regulated even though it is not yet for sale....

Plus, those various .410 revolvers -- not to mention regular shotguns -- send more pellets downrange with each pull of their triggers, whereas this sends bullets down its rifled barrels.

Like the video in the OP said and like you'll see in the 200+ shootings linked in my sig line, the vast majority of self-defense shootings in public take place at close range, like within 15' and most within 9' (3 yards). While it may not be your cup of tea, I would not want to be on the receiving end of it's volleys.

ETA: I like that it's .25 acp: centerfires are more reliable than rimfires, thus better for self-defense use.

DAO is great for self-defense too and the completely enclosed mechanism is great for pocket EDC.

Anyone familiar with the standards for our CA Roster? Will this pass muster for sale in CA, if and when it is available? (assuming the manufacturer even wants to mess w/this, ahem, messed up state's laws & regs)

It doesn't really matter how accurate it is, how reliable .25 ACP is compared to .22 or what range it's used at. It's a three shot pepperbox derringer that happens to fire two rounds at a time. It has the same amount of usefulness as a three round derringer firing a round similar to a .380 or MAYBE a standard pressure .38 Special. How excited would anyone be about Davis releasing a three round, double action derringer as a 50% increase in firepower over a traditional derringer?

A .38 snub gives you 5 opportunities to hit a target, has better penetration and expansion and is a proven defensive firearm. Is great for pocket EDC and is quite reliable with many choices for quality defensive ammo. Not to mention any of the modern semi auto handguns.

Pepperboxes were obsolete by the 1850s. That's where I'll leave them, as an interesting stop on the long road of firearms evolution. Maybe if they released a .22lr version it would be a fun little range toy, but nothing more.

[JTROKS]

Never buy a 25 ACP pistol.

If you do buy one or one is given to you it is Okay just do not ever buy any ammo for it.

If you buy ammo for your 25 ACP you will be temped to shoot it and maybe even use it for self defense.

And god forbid you were to do this you may actually shoot a bad guy with your 25 ACP.

You would most likely hurt this person and they would be very angry at you and hurt you.

It's still better than spit.

[onelonehorseman]

It actually looks kind of chunky from the video. Not sure it would be my choice for small CCW.

It might be fun to shoot a few times at the range, but I can't see any other use for it.

And the last thing I need is another caliber of ammo to buy and keep, since I don't have anything in 25acp now.

I'll pass, even if it does make it on the roster.

[CandG]

Here's something else nobody has mentioned yet.

When 2 cartridges fire at the same time, that can make it extremely difficult to notice if one of them is a squib or a hangfire.

[Paladin]

Another +1 to change the caliber. I'm thinking .327 Fed. A shooter who is sensitive to bounce & blast could always load it with .32 H&R, or just .32 S&W.

Compare the size of the .22 Sharps derringer to the size of the .32 If they made this in .32, it's six chambered barrels would be a LOT wider, or they'd have to go to four barrels, and thus only 2 double taps.