Ruger Charger

[tankerman]

Ruger is once again leading the industry in developing ugly firearms.

[ke6guj]

Does the Olympic pistol exemption override AW laws? To my knowledge it doesn't, in which case you'll need a 10/22 mag lock as well.

Sure it does.

Here's the exemption from the AW regs.

12276.1(b) The Legislature finds a significant public purpose in exempting pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events. Therefore, those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States, and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes at the time the act adding this subdivision is enacted, and that would otherwise fall within the definition of "assault weapon" pursuant to this section are exempt, as provided in subdivision (c).
(c) "Assault weapon" does not include either of the following:
(1) Any antique firearm.
(2) Any of the following pistols, because they are consistent with the significant public purpose expressed in subdivision (b):
MANUFACTURER MODEL CALIBER
BENELLI MP90 .22LR
BENELLI MP90 .32 S&W LONG
BENELLI MP95 .22LR
BENELLI MP95 .32 S&W LONG
HAMMERLI 280 .22LR
HAMMERLI 280 .32 S&W LONG
HAMMERLI SP20 .22LR
HAMMERLI SP20 .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI GPO .22 SHORT
PARDINI GP-SCHUMANN .22 SHORT
PARDINI HP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI MP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI SP .22LR
PARDINI SPE .22LR
WALTHER GSP .22LR
WALTHER GSP .32 S&W LONG
WALTHER OSP .22 SHORT
WALTHER OSP-2000 .22 SHORT

(3) The Department of Justice shall create a program that is consistent with the purposes stated in subdivision (b) to exempt new models of competitive pistols that would otherwise fall within the definition of "assault weapon" pursuant to this section from being classified as an assault weapon. The exempt competitive pistols may be based on recommendations by USA Shooting consistent with the regulations contained in the USA Shooting Official Rules or may be based on the recommendation or rules of any other organization that the department deems relevant.

And here is the exemption from the Roster.

12132. This chapter shall not apply to any of the following:
(h)(1) The Legislature finds a significant public purpose in exempting pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events. Therefore, those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States, and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes at the time that the act adding this subdivision is enacted, and that fall within the definition of "unsafe handgun" pursuant to paragraph (3) of subdivision (b) of Section 12126 shall be exempt, as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3). (2) This chapter shall not apply to any of the following pistols, because they are consistent with the significant public purpose expressed in paragraph (1):
MANUFACTURER MODEL CALIBER
ANSCHUTZ FP .22LR
BENELLI MP90 .22LR
BENELLI MP90 .32 S&W LONG
BENELLI MP95 .22LR
BENELLI MP95 .32 S&W LONG
DRULOV FP .22LR
GREEN ELECTROARM .22LR
HAMMERLI 100 .22LR
HAMMERLI 101 .22LR
HAMMERLI 102 .22LR
HAMMERLI 162 .22LR
HAMMERLI 280 .22LR
HAMMERLI 280 .32 S&W LONG
HAMMERLI FP10 .22LR
HAMMERLI MP33 .22LR
HAMMERLI SP20 .22LR
HAMMERLI SP20 .32 S&W LONG
MORINI CM102E .22LR
MORINI 22M .22LR
MORINI 32M .32 S&W LONG
MORINI CM80 .22LR
PARDINI GP .22 SHORT
PARDINI GPO .22 SHORT
PARDINI GP-SCHUMANN .22 SHORT
PARDINI HP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI K22 .22LR
PARDINI MP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI PGP75 .22LR
PARDINI SP .22LR
PARDINI SPE .22LR
SAKO FINMASTER .22LR
STEYR FP .22LR
VOSTOK IZH NO. 1 .22LR
VOSTOK MU55 .22LR
VOSTOK TOZ35 .22LR
WALTHER FP .22LR
WALTHER GSP .22LR
WALTHER GSP .32 S&W LONG
WALTHER OSP .22 SHORT
WALTHER OSP-2000 .22 SHORT

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(3) The department shall create a program that is consistent with the purpose stated in paragraph (1) to exempt new models of competitive firearms from this chapter. The exempt competitive firearms may be based on recommendations by USA Shooting consistent with the regulations contained in the USA Shooting Official Rules or may be based on the recommendation or rules of any other organization that the department deems relevant.

[CHS]

Ruger is once again leading the industry in developing ugly firearms.

Speak for yourself I *LIKE* the charger. I would have one already if it weren't for the stupid roster and AW laws.

[CHS]

Sure it does.

That is freaking awesome.

I wonder if this gives us legal ammunition down the line to kill the rest of the AWB in CA. These pistols, by CA definition ARE AW's, but exempt because they are used in competition use.

So how do we get AR's exempted for "competition" use?

12276.1(b) The Legislature finds a significant public purpose in exempting pistols that are designed expressly for use in Olympic target shooting events. Therefore, those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States, and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes at the time the act adding this subdivision is enacted, and that would otherwise fall within the definition of "assault weapon" pursuant to this section are exempt, as provided in subdivision (c).

(3) The Department of Justice shall create a program that is consistent with the purposes stated in subdivision (b) to exempt new models of competitive pistols that would otherwise fall within the definition of "assault weapon" pursuant to this section from being classified as an assault weapon. The exempt competitive pistols may be based on recommendations by USA Shooting consistent with the regulations contained in the USA Shooting Official Rules or may be based on the recommendation or rules of any other organization that the department deems relevant.

Looks like the key words here are "Therefore, those pistols that are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting".

So, someone get the International Olympic Committee and USA Shooting on the phone STAT. Tell them we want Charges in CA. Tell them to sanction them for Olympic use

[DedEye]

Sure it does.

Here's the exemption from the AW regs.


And here is the exemption from the Roster.

Thanks Jack! I knew Olympic firearms were exempt from something, but for the life of me couldn't remember if it was the Roster or the AW ban .

[TheBundo]

I think I want to try out for the Olympics shooting team. Yeah, that's it........

[bigcalidave]

Any progress on this front? Sounds like getting the charger on the Olympic Exempted list is a great route to get one in CA. What does it take to get something added? I really want a 10/22 pistol

[Quiet]

Any progress on this front? Sounds like getting the charger on the Olympic Exempted list is a great route to get one in CA. What does it take to get something added? I really want a 10/22 pistol

Contact the International Olympic Committee and/or USA Shooting to see if the Ruger Charger is a sanctioned target pistol.

[ojisan]

Well, it's been a couple months.
Not likely the Olympic Committee will be helpful.

Therefore, it's time to move forward anyway.

Chargers already meet size and length for the single shot exemption.
Single shot modification is necessary for legal import, how to do it?
To qualify for import as a single shot, we need:
1. Single shot sled or single shot magazine modification.
2. A way to lock the sled /SSmag in (Bullet Button concept)(perhaps overkill but wise, there's a reason for this, keep reading).
3. Single shot manual bolt operation.
While the stiffer recoil spring idea seems easy enough, if this is done then the bolt will not have enough travel to extract and eject rounds as the spring will coil bind and stop rearward bolt travel too early, not to mention the difficulties of assembly in the first place. You would have to take the gun apart to get the fired round out. Same result if using a preload spacer with the original spring. Truly a single shot but not viable.
Also, this may not pass DOJ scrutiny. So, something a little better is required.

A way to lock the bolt closed automatically and open manually is needed.

#1 and #2 above are done. # 3 in prototype now.

Of course, once brought in as a single shot, you may want to change over to semi-auto. To avoid your Charger becoming an AW when this is done, you will need a Bullet Button...which you will already have as it was installed when you bought your legally-imported converted-to-a-single-shot Charger.

That's the plan.
Appropriate FFLs will be needed.
Stay tuned for more info in the near future.

Git 'er done.

[kermit]

Question or Ojisan

Ojisan,

Why the need for the "bolt action" conversion?

The SLED makes it a single shot so that takes care of the pistol list exemption.

A bullet button takes care of the AW detachable magazine issue.

"(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor,
forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon
without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the
barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location
outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds."

Am I missing something?

Thanks for your efforts.

[ojisan]

I agree, using the single shot sled alone should be enough by the letter of the law. But that's not how things work, as we all know.
DOJ may look at the speed and ease of removing the sled using the standard hand-operated magazine release and replacing it with a magazine, thereby having an instant semi-auto, and not be happy.
Using a single shot sled only, if this were viable, could then apply to AR /AK pistols, etc. But as you now, the wisdom for these is to also remove the operating rod or gas tube so the bolt does not cycle, the bolt must then be manually operated. It is also recommended that the gas port be blocked for shooter safety and to prevent quick tool-less conversion to semi-auto. It must be obvious that it is a single shot as imported and sold.
Side note on sleds: if it will hold one round when the bolt is closed, and the bolt functions semi-auto, and a round is manually loaded in the chamber then the sled with a round inserted, you now have a two shot semi-auto. Sled construction and bolt operation must be very specific to avoid this. Having a manually operated bolt helps here, too.
So, we are back to how to keep the bolt from cycling on a 10/22. No op-rod or gas tube to remove, no gas port to block.
A method that mechanically and automatically locks the bolt closed every time, keeps the bolt in battery during and after firing, and requires manual operation to cycle (same as AR/AK single shot), combined with a sled, will meet and exceed all requirements. BB use on single shot is overkill but the goal is to insure no problems with DOJ, have the confidence of FFLs to import these and make sure the buyer has it in a single-shot configuration first as required by law, and the BB is already installed to retain the sled and so no AW is ever created if converting to semi-auto.
Items #1 and #2 will be sold together.
Item #3 will likely be pricey, low volume, most likely rented for a short time and returned, not sold. Depends on how it costs out.
I also have to make sure the single shot bolt (as designed) works out first.
There is more than one way to do this, trying the best idea first.
It will be a couple weeks before the first SS bolt idea is proven or not.
This may be over-kill on the legalities but no problems and no concerns at all is best by far.

Git 'er done.

[ke6guj]

I agree, using the single shot sled alone should be enough by the letter of the law. But that's not how things work, as we all know.
DOJ may look at the speed and ease of removing the sled using the standard hand-operated magazine release and replacing it with a magazine, thereby having an instant semi-auto, and not be happy.
Using a single shot sled only, if this were viable, could then apply to AR /AK pistols, etc. But as you now, the wisdom for these is to also remove the operating rod or gas tube so the bolt does not cycle, the bolt must then be manually operated. It is also recommended that the gas port be blocked for shooter safety and to prevent quick tool-less conversion to semi-auto. It must be obvious that it is a single shot as imported and sold.

that viewpoint is out of date. The right people have read the PC and realized that removing the gas system from an AR/AK-type pistol is overkill, and that as long as it has a fixed-zero-round mag, its ok.

Many single-shot handguns have been imported and sold into the state with intact gas systems, with just a BB'ed SLED.

In fact, the GSG-5PK is set up exactly the same way a Ruger Charger would be with just a fixed SLED and sold openly in CA. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=171456

[ojisan]

that viewpoint is out of date. The right people have read the PC and realized that removing the gas system from an AR/AK-type pistol is overkill, and that as long as it has a fixed-zero-round mag, its ok.

Many single-shot handguns have been imported and sold into the state with intact gas systems, with just a BB'ed SLED.

In fact, the GSG-5PK is set up exactly the same way a Ruger Charger would be with just a fixed SLED and sold openly in CA. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=171456

I have an extra 1 & 2. Wanna give it a go?

[ke6guj]

personally, no.

I don't feel like taking the time and effor to the required leg work to geta a Ruger Charger converted to single-shot status out of state, and getting to my local FFL for DROS. Not for a Charger.

[leitung]

I see one in wild sports all of the time, I wonder if it's a single shot or something.