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  • #16
    Whiterabbit
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2010
    • 7587

    Originally posted by Sutcliffe
    Six lbs, accurate out passed a hundred yards and quick follow up shots.
    Must be talking about my BFR in 460 S&W with a 2-6 scope



    kingmanbondgraham, if you have a hankering for a 454, indulge it, it's a great decision. While shooting 454 or 45 colt is silly from a 460, shooting 45 colt does make perfect sense from a 454 gun (except a freedom arms, but you have to hold one to understand why, it's a fine shooting iron). Nice that a 454 is built to take 65ksi (even an AR15 isn't really set up for that), so any 45 colt +P or cowboy colt is fine.

    But 454 is great too. Uses a small rifle primer so if you reload, chances are good you are set up for small primer, and you can reload something big with your existing small primers.

    People already gave you great advice. Get a single action. You can get a ruger redhawk for DA, but why? SA is a cult. Like watching Army of Darkness for the first time it might sound silly, but after puling the trigger you may be a convert.

    You've got three great choices for a single action:

    Ruger blackhawk
    Magnum Research BFR
    Freedom Arms model 83.

    I suggest a 6-7.5 inch barrel, anywhere in there. The longer barrel gives you a better sight radius, softer recoil, and as someone here said, you aren't drawing for rapid fire anyways. Not a gun you strap to your waist to go on a casual hike, it's purpose specific. I would buy a 7.5 if I bought one tomorrow. You buy a simply rugged OWB holster and a chest harness and carry on the chest.

    The blackhawk is $750 on gunbroker. Dunno what good deals go for. You are getting $750 worth of gun if you buy one. (to be honest, I'd skip this option. Were I buying a big blackhawk, I'd want it in 480 Ruger!)

    The BFR retail is like $1000-1100. You can find BFR 454's in the 800 range or less if you wait long enough. You are getting $1000 worth of gun if you buy one.

    The FA is like $1800, sometimes you see them on gunbroker for $1300. You are getting at LEAST $1300 worth of gun when you buy a FA. More if you get extras.

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    Factory ammo is still available. Reloading is cheap, you can use most cheap bullets for all but the really hairy loads. barnes bullets are available. factory lead free is available. The SA (all) can take scopes or irons. Nice aftermarket irons are available if you have to have the best. Bushnell and leupold optics can take the abuse of the recoil easily.

    When I take my 460 out I'm good for about 125 rounds in a range session if I just go to an indoor range for an hour. dunno about weenies just shooting a few. Probably just not reloaders and don't want to spend so much money on factory ammo in one hour.

    I really don't know what else to say. This forum is so filled with DA-only threads with respect to the 10% of threads on revolvers, everyone else likes semi auto pistols. The 454 is great, and great in a single action package. Never a bad choice. Do it!

    (someone was selling a couple BFR's in 454 on the forum here a couple years ago for around $650. Talk about a deal!)


    $929 on gunbroker. You can get one used for quite a bit less if you are willing to wait for a deal.
    Last edited by Whiterabbit; 08-02-2016, 11:20 PM.

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    • #17
      mrboma
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 1307

      Ruger Super Red Hawk .454



      300gr pills leaving the barrel at 1650fps is just plain fun.
      Brought both these out to the last Club BBQ.
      Guess which one was the favorite?

      Regards,
      Mike

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      • #18
        TripleThreat
        CGN Contributor
        • Mar 2012
        • 2637

        I shot 454 out of a 460 Magnum and it was brutal, and I mean brutal....it felt like the grip wanted to rip 10 layers of skin off of my palm and believe humans only have 7 layers of skin.

        I can't imagine, nor would I ever shoot 460 loads out of the revolver, just no need. If I were to go hunting, I'd be confident shooting anything that walks on this planet with my book loaded 454 rounds.

        Triple
        1911 "The MILF of handguns"

        LINK: 9mm Shootout: BHP vs 92A1 vs SP-01 vs P-01

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        • #19
          jjs1025
          Member
          • Sep 2012
          • 338

          Kingmanbondgraham,
          I also love the S&W 460 Magnum. Like sofbak and 1911 Nut said, how can you beat 3 calibers for one revolver?
          The 45 Long Colt is like a cap gun with it's weight, the 454 Hornady 240gr XTR are really fun to shoot, and the Federal Premium 300 gr are a bit stout and a lot of fun, a little expensive, and it's not like your going to shoot 200 at a time on the range.
          I don't have experience with the other brands mentioned above, but I really like the S&W 460!!
          Enjoy whatever decision you make and let us know.
          Take care!

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          • #20
            Whiterabbit
            Calguns Addict
            • Oct 2010
            • 7587

            This is on gunsamerica NOW for $700

            https://www.gunsamerica.com/userimag...wm_8684315.jpg (good grief the image is huge)



            This is a screaming, screaming deal. I recommend you sleep on this and buy it tomorrow.

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            To compare, here's a freedom arms:



            $1500 and it sold fast. You can expect that for $1500.

            IMO the BFR is extremely undervalued, and the FA and Ruger are on par for value-for-money. You will not find a stronger revolver than a BFR at any price.
            Last edited by Whiterabbit; 08-03-2016, 5:04 PM.

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            • #21
              Che762x39
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 4538

              Originally posted by kingmanbondgraham
              Who shoots 454 Casull?

              What revolver options are there in California for 454?

              I know check the roster....
              Being a reloader I always wanted to go to that frontier of extreme power. Enjoy and be safe

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              • #22
                mrboma
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2008
                • 1307

                If you are a .45 Magnum person, this is your cartridge. The .454 Casull was designed by Dick Casull and Jack Fullmer in the 1950's as a cartridge for big game hunting. Its case is basically a longer (by approximately 1/10th inch) and much stronger version of the .45 Colt case, and a .454 Casull pistol can also shoot .45 Colt ammunition, much as a .44 Magnum revolver can also shoot .44 Special ammunition. The SAAMI did not accept the .454 Casull as a standard cartridge until 1998, when the maximum average pressure was set at 65,000 psi. The highest pressure shown in the Hodgdon Data Manual using the older copper crusher method is 55,000 cup. These pressures are similar to those of the .300 Weatherby Magnum rifle cartridge!
                From http://www.chuckhawks.com/454casull.htm

                65,000 psi has a ring to it, doesn't it?
                Regards,
                Mike

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