G17 upgrades

[Citizen_B]

If you have a target that needs the 10th/11th round and go to slide lock, you need to work on your stage planning.

Lol, man I must be wrong and you really are a GM. I'm far from GM so sometimes I miss steel or have a malfunction that blows Plan A. Those are just excuses - I just suck.

[Citizen_B]

I don't think it does. I'm not sure why people are dividing the competitors who just want to "have fun" from the guys who want to win. Both are doing it to have fun. Both are playing the same game.

The people who say they do it just to "have fun" are selling themselves short, because they think they can't win. That's negative thinking. And shooting is a mental game.

Talking about slide stops and power stroking aren't germane to USPSA because you don't go to slide lock in USPSA; that's IDPA.

You assume everyone who shoots matches are doing so because they want/need to score high against other people or an arbitrary score. This is not true. Some people shoot just to better their abilities for themselves and priority is not where their score ranks. An increasing USPSA score means they are becoming a better USPSA shooter. Competing with others can be a great motivational factor, but some people are self-motivated and don't need to be validated with a high classification. You could say that's an excuse because they suck, which may be true for some but not others.

It's also a bit arrogant to say everyone who's doing it for fun think they can't 'win'.

[Citizen_B]

The definition of "arrogant" is having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

I don't understand how you could equate my comment about people underestimating their own ability into me being arrogant.

You made the assumption of knowing the reasons why people shoot matches for fun. I think making an broad assumption of why someone else does something is arrogant.

I have a hard time believing you've never done anything in your life "just for fun".

[Stumpfenhammer]

I'm shooting Production, started towards the end of last year and have about 8 matches under my belt...unclassified, goal is to get to A by the end of the year.

I think if you're there just for fun, you'll soon be there for fun and competition combined, even if you are only competing against yourself...it's addictive and much less frustrating than golf. At least it is at this stage of the game when I can see improvement from match to match.

I'm running a G17, no tape or stippling. I was in a Bob Vogel class recently and he has an inch-wide strip of grip tape near the bottom on the back of the backstrap, I may give that a try, but grip hasn't been a top of mind issue as I'm able to really crank down on the gun. Anyway...here's what I run:

Trigger Kit: http://www.wayofthegun.us/wotg-trigg...glock-pistols/
Recoil Rod: http://www.wayofthegun.us/ismi-glock...red-guide-rod/
#13 Recoil Spring: http://www.wayofthegun.us/13-recoil-spring/
Glock OEM extended Mag Release: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/170...-polymer-black
Holster: http://www.wayofthegun.us/proctor-ow...1-5-belt-loop/
Belt: https://tabgear.mycustomevent.com/Sh...&source=search
Sights: https://dueckdefense.com/shop/firear...ht-for-glocks/

Right now I run one Bladtech double mag holder and one G-Code double. Why? Because I had them, and at this stage gear is the least of the things choking my performance..

I've got a Safariland ELS competition belt rig configured for 3-gun, which I'm not currently doing, so I'll probably switch to that within a few months for a little less holster movement...but my current setup (described above) is in no way slowing me down.

It all works and I've had no reliability issues. I'm not sure how much of a difference the steel rod makes, but it's shiny and it's shiny so I'm keeping it.

I think the number one thing you can do at this stage to start seeing rapid progress from match to match is get Stoeger's Dry-Fire and Skills and Drills books and then dry-fire every day if you can, even if it's just for five minutes.

[kriller134]

Thanks stump for the list of parts!

[RANDO]

25 cent trigger job. 3.5# connector. Flat faced trigger. 3 dot sights. I kept my glasses can stock for over a year and slowly swapped out parts on my g19 and 32, everyone has their own opinion but IMO shoot it stock or at most swap the sights and just spend money on mags and ammo

[RANDO]

Glasses can stock= I have no idea but predictive text on my I phone. I meant to say "I kept my glocks stock"

[kriller134]

thanks guys keep the lists coming

[nedro]

How about a titanium guide rod and spring?

I was thinking about that or a stainless one. Not sure if it'll make that big of a difference for me. I'll probably be better served saving for a new barrel.

What are those parts for?

The guide rod add weight to the muzzle to help reduce felt recoil.

Right on, what's the weight of those guide rods vs. the polymer?

You mean tungsten? Never heard of a titanium guide rod. Titanium is actually a very light metal.

Have you read the USPSA rule book?

http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-rules.php

There are weight limits for production class. A tungsten guide rod might put you on the border. That said, no one's going to weigh your gun at a local match.

OP, if you want to shoot Production with a G17, I suggest fiber front sights, black back. Use the rest of your money for ammo and keep going to matches. After some matches then start experimenting with grip tape, guide rods, springs etc etc. If you don't get intimately familiar with stock, you won't know how useful/non-useful mods will be for you.

The effect on recoil is minimal. It's helps somewhat with muzzle flip so you can get back on target faster. Actual benefit varies from person to person.

Shhhhhh!! It does nothing except empty your walllet. Don't tell anyone, it's a secret.

This, metal guide rod in a Glock is probably the most worthless mod you can buy for a Glock. Unless you own a Glock 18, or a converted 17. That and those stupid butt plugs, also stay away from any of those titanium parts. Barrel is pretty worthless too from the research I've done. Makes minimal if any difference.
Training and more experience behind the gun will make you a better shooter more than any modification will. I can shoot pretty tight groups out of a stock 4 inch barrel with a pretty much stock gen 3 Glock 19.

tti springs(or whatever your choice is)
OEM -connector
^
this alone will bring trigger pull down to around three pounds. So light the trigger safety doesn't work.

and some sights, my preference is 10-8 performance with a fo front.

In my opinion all these heavily modded Glocks do is inflate your ego. Which in turn effects your state of mind making you more confident, and maybe a "slightly" better shooter. Not making the gun more accurate, the gun is already more accurate than any person can be. Only mods I would do are the three I listed above. Springs, connector, and sights.


My cousin shot these groups I circled at 10yd and 15yd. Pretty damn tight groups, all I have in my 19 is a OEM -connector and a polish job. Oh, and a Glock 17 flat trigger/trigger bar. But that does nothing to improve performance. Just personal preference.

But you have zero training and no competition background. Perhaps after you have some competition experience you can give advice for guys wanting mods for competition.

I have a Brass Stacker metal guide rod in my IDPA SSP Glock 17. It allows me to use a 13# spring, I think it shoots flatter.

I and many others use the grip plug to act as a mini mag guide. The half circle cut out in the mag well can cause the rim of the top round of your magazine to get hung up if you screw up a reload. Really only important if you shoot for time, and know how long your reloads take. Naturally, this is applicable for competition.

My favorite competition sights are Taran Tactical Innovations and Dawson Chargers.

I'm by no means a bullseye shooter, but shot this 5 round group tonight, with a match barrel in my IDPA SSP Glock 17 at 25 yards. The black portion is 5.5".

HopetonBrown, I installed a 15# spring. Stock on mine was 17#.
First off YES, I meant Tungsten Guide rod.
Secondly, I did not install it to reduce recoil.
Third, I installed it at the condemnation of the Glock Gods over at Glocktalk.
Fourth, My gun has not jammed, stove piped, FTF, FTE or any other anomalies that it was doing after installing said, "Useless" guide rod.
It just runs and runs now.
This is on a Gen 2.5 G17C with less than 1000 rounds through it at the time.
You know, a lot of blowhards come onto this site to tell you about their experience "Reading" internet BS. I am not one of them.
Against the very retarded recommendations that other internet heroes had to fix the problem with my gun, I went out and researched problems and how they affected cycling and came to my own conclusions. Smart or lucky? Who knows. But my gun is running circles around others.
There were chewed up parts on my 1911 that I repaired by doing the same thing, research and logic.
My .45 3.3 XDS is also running like a champ after smoothing it over. Go ahead look up the XDS and see all of the issues it has. Mine is running flawless right now.
Stop with the all knowing BS.

[kriller134]

So I picked up my g17 today. When I got home I immediately took it apart and changed out the trigger spring, safety plunger spring, and striker spring with the zev kit and I put in a zev connector. And I polished the whole trigger bar and safety plunger. That took the trigger pull from 7 pounds to 3.25 pounds. Pretty good for only 25 bucks worth of parts. I'm surprised how easy this gun is to work on.

Now I have on order new sights from dawson and talon grips. I'm debating on getting a magwell plug to put some weight back there to balance out the gun.

[kriller134]

Well that puts an end to that idea. Thanks for the heads up.