MAC 3011

[Ryridesmotox]

What's up gents,

My first post on these forums. I did a search and came up with very little, both here and via Google magic.

I'm looking to get into 3 gun this year and I thought that I had my pistol selection narrowed down to a Glock 34 or a Smith and Wesson M&P pro. Both are higher capacity double stacks. But in my endless browsing of the bowels of the interwebs, I came across the MAC 3011 double stack "1911" in .45ACP... This was interesting because my initial thought of double stack 1911 style guns was STI and those are out of my desired range by like $1000.

Anyone ever use one in a competition? Just curious as I think I might get even more into practical shooting stuff as time goes on.

My current guns are a 1911 Colt Delta Elite in 10mm, Mossy 500 pump, carbine length AR I built... So I'm not a total ermagerdnewb when it comes to a weapon. But I'm not going to go broke feeding my 10mm with enough ammo for a match, and I'd prefer to keep it original. Just wanted to see if anyone had the double stack mac and if it was worth the $1k it's going to cost. The Smith M&P pro is what, half that, but in 9mm it won't qualify for major power... IF I decide to do more matches.

Thanks
Ryan

Edit... Here is what I'm talking about...

https://macpistols.eagleimportsinc.com/macpistols/firearms/mac-3011-ssd-series/models/mac-3011-ssd-45acp

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The MAC 3011 is made by Metro Arms in the Philippines and imported into the USA by Eagle Imports.

It, along with the S&W M&P Pro, is not listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.

Which means they can only be acquired via exemption (LEO sale, PPT, or out-of-state intra-familial gift).

So, unless you are a LEO or have a parent/grandparent that lives in another State that is willing to gift you a firearm using their own money, then you will only be able to legally obtain them via PPT and off-Roster handguns command a premium in CA (typically $100-$600 more than MSRP).

[Ryridesmotox]

LEO... I'm just looking for something I don't need to Smith up right away before I put rounds through it. And I'm not technically allowed to use my duty gun for fun on the side... I need another woman... Errr gun for that. Plus, I'm issued a H&K P2000 .40 and I can't stand it, and I have no other option right now as my agency doesn't let you carry your own gun.

The Tanfoglioa caught my eye too, those are CZ based if I'm not mistaken... And CZ is more or less a copy of a Browning High Power right? I'm a sucker for an all metal gun, what can I say.

Edit: my local shop has 6 in stock (according to their website). I just hate how shops here don't have a range attached. I hate buying something without trigger time.

That's really the only issue right now. And why I was thinking Glock or the M&P... They may not be pretty, but they work every time for a long time.

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The Tanfoglioa caught my eye too, those are CZ based if I'm not mistaken... And CZ is more or less a copy of a Browning High Power right? I'm a sucker for an all metal gun, what can I say.

The Tanfoglio Witness is a CZ75 clone, which is not a copy of the BHP. Different platforms.
(CZ75 being copy of BHP, is like saying SIG P220 is a copy of Colt 1911)

[Ryridesmotox]

The Tanfoglio Witness is a CZ75 clone, which is not a copy of the BHP. Different platforms.
(CZ75 being copy of BHP, is like saying SIG P220 is a copy of Colt 1911)

Gotcha... Thansk for straightening that out.

Have you shot, or know someone who has shot one either of those 2 models? I hate to be a Kardashian about this, but everyone has a glock or m&p, sure would be nice to have something different... But not at the cost of reliability. If I'm going to use it for matches, it has to function the whole way through one without a strip/clean.

[Ryridesmotox]

I've been searching half the night. And I can only find a few "reviews" that are done on them. I'm just kind of hesitant to trust someone who was given a gun from the factory. How close is it going to be to the gun You pick up in the case... How good is quality control on them.

[Quiet]

Only Tanfoglio I've shot/handled is the Witness Compact in 10x25mm.
Excellent pistol, accurate, and reliable.


I have no experience with the Metro Arms 1911s (MAC 3011)

But, I do like the Armscor 1911s, which are also made in the Philippines.

[Ryridesmotox]

Thanks for the info/advice. I may go check it out tomorrow and see what they feel like. I know it's not going to be the quality of the STIs I've shot in the past, but maybe it's a diamond in the rough.

[soulbyte]

MAC 3011

With the Mac 3011 you'll have to run their magazines (sps) which will cost you more in the long run. If you want a decent 3gun in 2011 platform (doublestack 1911) for under $1000, I would suggest looking into buying a Wide body Para Ordnance or Rock Island Armory. Both use Para Mag but the RIA's have the ability to use STI magazines with little to no fitting. My STI mags worked fine in the RIA but need to be fitted to the para's.

For 3gun 9mm would be your top choice, factory mags hold 18, with Dawson basepads, 22+ rounds. For uspsa you want a 40, stock mags holding 16, with Dawson's base pads, 20+.




I have a buddy who shoots the Mac 3011 and likes it. According to him the fit finish and quality are there. Parts are not as abundant as para/RIA or STI. Only difference between all is the frame design. Also the platform is very popular in the Philippines, it's just not as well known in the USA. Both the para style and STI style 2011 are well used since the late 80's in competition hence the abundance of aftermarket parts.

Edit: RIA has a doublestack 1911 A2 on roster. In fact, it's what I used as the base gun for my 45 cap build (middle gun in picture) I got mine at turners for $560. I takes para p14 mags. It's basic and no frills but you can order parts from armscor online and upgrade to your hearts content.

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[heidad01]

LEO... I'm just looking for something I don't need to Smith up right away before I put rounds through it. And I'm not technically allowed to use my duty gun for fun on the side... I need another woman... Errr gun for that. Plus, I'm issued a H&K P2000 .40 and I can't stand it, and I have no other option right now as my agency doesn't let you carry your own gun.

The Tanfoglioa caught my eye too, those are CZ based if I'm not mistaken... And CZ is more or less a copy of a Browning High Power right? I'm a sucker for an all metal gun, what can I say.

Edit: my local shop has 6 in stock (according to their website). I just hate how shops here don't have a range attached. I hate buying something without trigger time.

That's really the only issue right now. And why I was thinking Glock or the M&P... They may not be pretty, but they work every time for a long time.

Which shop is it that has 6 Macs in stock??

I have seen and shot a Metro Arms 1911 in 9mm. Not a Mac. This was a blue fiished 1911.The fit and finish was just beautiful out of the box and about 2 steps above RIAs and shot dead accurate. I have shot dozens of RIA 1911 and a few 2011s.
I have not shot STIs but shot a lot of very nice 1911s and for the price, you get twice your money's worth with Metro Arms guns.

If you are LEO and can get them, go for it. You will like them. I wished I had bought a couple of Mero Arms 1911s when they were available to all.

p.s. Post pics when you get it.

[Ryridesmotox]

Soulbyte... Nice collection. I'll take any of those three haha. I'll check into those. The only thing that keeps me away from Rock Island is, I shot one a few years ago and... It was less than reliable.

Heidad... Faith armory has them. The only reason I have been able to shoot so many different guns is because, on range days, everyone unpacks the good stuff during breaks. One of my buddies at work is a competitive shooter and he has all manner of race guns, from wheel guns, to STIs, to AR, his collection has to be pushing like $20k. I don't have that kind of budget as I'm too into cars lol.

Like I said... Their website says they have 6, of the blued .45ACP

http://www.faitharmory.com/product.mac-3011-ssd-pistol-45-acp-5-barrel-blue-finish#

[soulbyte]

Understood about the rock island quality. But, they have come a long way the past 4 years. They recently even released a doublestack 6 inch 10mm. Wish I could get my hands on that.

If not the 2011 platform why not CZ or tanfoglio?


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[cindynles]

Take a look at the CZ 72 TS. Its about 1/2 the cost of an STI 2011 and pretty good out of the box. Lots of guys who don't run a 2011 or Glock use them in competition.

[morrcarr67]

The Tanfoglio Witness is a CZ75 clone, which is not a copy of the BHP. Different platforms.
(CZ75 being copy of BHP, is like saying SIG P220 is a copy of Colt 1911)

But the CZ-75 IS based off the Browning High Power.

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[deadcoyote]

LEO... I'm just looking for something I don't need to Smith up right away before I put rounds through it. And I'm not technically allowed to use my duty gun for fun on the side... I need another woman... Errr gun for that. Plus, I'm issued a H&K P2000 .40 and I can't stand it, and I have no other option right now as my agency doesn't let you carry your own gun.

The Tanfoglioa caught my eye too, those are CZ based if I'm not mistaken... And CZ is more or less a copy of a Browning High Power right? I'm a sucker for an all metal gun, what can I say.

Edit: my local shop has 6 in stock (according to their website). I just hate how shops here don't have a range attached. I hate buying something without trigger time.

That's really the only issue right now. And why I was thinking Glock or the M&P... They may not be pretty, but they work every time for a long time.

This would also be a good question to post up on the Brian Enos forums, a lot of good info on there. I love my glock 34 and use it a lot in USPSA. I have a 24 too and while its a fun oddity i think the 34/35 platform is better all the way around.

More to your question re: affordable double stack 1911/2011 pistols, Rock Island makes a double stack .45 2011 tactical that's pretty nice, guys seem to like them. My only issue with the Rock I had is the non standard sight cut meaning you're limited on what sights you can get aftermarket. The 2011 tactical comes with a fiber front and a 2 dot rear, so I'd just black out the dots and you'd be good to go.