Best polymer pistol?

[coq]

Glock for me. I briefly had an HK USP9c…really a quality handgun IMO. But I noticed it had a bit of a high bore axis, and while it was a comparable size to my G19, the barrel was the length of my G26. For the price, I just felt like it wasn't for me. Still, I wanted something of quality…so I sold the HK and used the money to partially fund a stainless TRP.

[big blaze]

Double Glock Glock Double Pop Pop.

[Roering]

My friends stock PPQ is in my opinion better than my stock Glock, but the work that I have done to my Glock makes it a better shooter than a stock PPQ.

[L84CABO]

The HK USP is the best $500 gun you can get for $1,000.

Hahahahaha! That's some funny stuff right there.

[tophatjones]

There isn't a best polymer because it's subjective. Practically all modern choices are reliable enough that it's no longer a case of choosing the most reliable gun. That being said, the USP and the Glock are the greatest polymer guns of the 90s.

Since then, Glock has only inched forward in development by adding interchangeable backstraps and went backwards with the round wire, dual recoil spring. The single stacks and long slides are their most interesting developments, but they can't be called innovative. The Glock is a solid design that won't fail you, but the company needs to get their heads outta their butts and develop some cool new stuff.

In terms of innovation, HK is ahead with their latest models: interchangeable backstraps and side panels, tapered/contoured slides, and flat wire recoil springs with heavy duty buffers and the slide/frame space provided for the buffer (important difference from all the aftermarket buffers). Even the unnecessary charging supports on the VP9 was an attempt at innovation.

I've never really been a Sig fan, but I think that Sig, with their modular p320 and p250 are miles ahead of everyone. I haven't had a chance to really check them out, but the idea is fascinating and has limitless potential.

[bohoki]

best at what? durability, accuracy ,comfort. best is not specific

[nitroxdiver]

"Best polymer pistol"? My vote is for the HK MK23.


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I'd like to add that my reply is one of purely academic discussion. Since the question wasn't specified as "Best polymer pistol for xxx", ie duty, CC, competition, end user serviceability, after market support etc, I voted based on my beliefs as best equalling most vigorously tested and engineered for endurance and highest mrbf while maintaining a consistent level of accuracy. Considering these items, it is, in my book, the best polymer framed handgun. I'd rather CC a Glock 19, and I'd rather compete with a mildly tuned Glock 17 and I'd rather work on and source parts for any Glock model. I have more fun shooting a Mk23 over a Glock. Clear as mud eh. Jmo, ianal.


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[whipsmart]

I prefer a pragmatic approach to guns. I have never bought a pistol, knife or rifle based on how pretty it looks. I'll stick with what is reliable, cheap mags and cheap replacement parts. I'll stick with glock but don't get me wrong I don't think its the best polymer gun out there.

[SoldierLife7]

Wonder why virtually nobody shoots USPs in competition? Any gun can shoot slow fire groups. The Glock is cheaper, lighter, holds more boolits, has a lower bore axis and has 100 times more aftermarket support. You can also detail strip a Glock in 1 minute. I wouldn't even want to think about detail stripping a USP.

I keep trying to tell my friends this.

I sold all three of my HKs, but I will never sell my Glock.

Literally my favorite pistol out of all that I own...

[Lead Waster]

And the Glock 43 is the best $400 gun you can get for $1200

Come on, that's only true in California. In Nevada, you can get a $400 Glock for $400.

A $1000 HK in Nevada costs $1600 in California.

[Lead Waster]

Sadly, this is the truth. Most people feel that if they pay more, they get more. Hence the HK > Glock sentiment. In reality, the USP came out initially at the exact same price point as the Glock. No one bought them.

Then HK had the brilliant idea to jack the price up from $500 to $750 (even more today) and market the USP as "tactical." Then everyone and their brothers started buying USPs, proclaiming them superior in every way to Glocks.

They definitely are, in two categories: Price and girth. Other than that, I would say it's personal preference. And I've owned plenty of polymers, too.

You hit the nail on the head. Look at 1911s. An RIA costs $500, therefore it's junk. A Les Baer is $3000, therefore it's the best. Now, there ARE differences, but it's not $2500 worth. And the $500 RIA is as good as any other $500 gun.

[static2126]

I keep trying to tell my friends this.

I sold all three of my HKs, but I will never sell my Glock.

Literally my favorite pistol out of all that I own...

Yup, own a bunch of pistols, but I end up selling them at times to fund other toys while my G19's never get sold.

[DrunkN_MastR]

Another M&P vote

[Lead Waster]

There isn't a best polymer because it's subjective. Practically all modern choices are reliable enough that it's no longer a case of choosing the most reliable gun. That being said, the USP and the Glock are the greatest polymer guns of the 90s.

Since then, Glock has only inched forward in development by adding interchangeable backstraps and went backwards with the round wire, dual recoil spring. The single stacks and long slides are their most interesting developments, but they can't be called innovative. The Glock is a solid design that won't fail you, but the company needs to get their heads outta their butts and develop some cool new stuff.

In terms of innovation, HK is ahead with their latest models: interchangeable backstraps and side panels, tapered/contoured slides, and flat wire recoil springs with heavy duty buffers and the slide/frame space provided for the buffer (important difference from all the aftermarket buffers). Even the unnecessary charging supports on the VP9 was an attempt at innovation.

I've never really been a Sig fan, but I think that Sig, with their modular p320 and p250 are miles ahead of everyone. I haven't had a chance to really check them out, but the idea is fascinating and has limitless potential.

Interesting points on Glock and innovation. Originally, the Glock 17 was THE most innovative semi-auto design in decades. Love 'em or hate 'em, you have to agree on that. But it's been almost 40 years and ... oh a new caliber! Oh the slide is somewhat longer. Look! Backstraps on the same gun!
Maybe it's because they really did a great job and the designers and engineers look at it and think "What exactly, do you want from us? It's cheap to make, reliable, durable, etc, etc, and still sells like hotcakes...what exactly do you want from us?" and their marketing department is "Uh ... different colors? Uhmmm ... I dunno, cut some holes in the slide or something".

Now, look at Walther and the PPQ and it's evolution from the P99 ... THERE is a company that listens and innovates. We whined and cried about the paddle release, so they made us one with an American-centric button. We whined about not having a 5" model, so they made one. We whined about striker triggers, so they made a fully cocked one.

As a result the PPQ (stock) is a wonderful gun in that genre.

... And look at the 1911, another gun designed so well, that the only innovations in 100 years are like beavertails and rails and bull barrels and different grips and finishes. Even the "2011" or "double stack" uses most of the same insides.

But then ... what do we really WANT or NEED from a gun? Reliability, accuracy, durability, ergonomics... What do we want?

[m98]

Generally the guys that rides the hk bandwagon have deep pockets OR saves up enough, buy the gun, goes to one range session, shoots 2 boxes ammo, comes home cleans it and it goes to sit in the safe until it gets posted up for safe in the classifieds. When you drink the hk coolaid you forget why you're spending so much for little returns. Outrages prices doesn't always means the best.
Wait, where's the hk advertisement photo that shows only hk guns can load and fire boolits backwards? Now that's innovation! Just take my money now! Lol

Hk boys, if you didn't know of this ^^^ about ur favorite gun mfg, google and u will see how innovative the mfg is.