Railed Springfield Pro - Is Something Up?

[rabun1]

i got two pros (one rail and one slick) off private parties this year. I currently have a deposit on another pro prior to my two current ones. the deposit date was 05/2013 and im still waitin! so its over two years for sure now.

for 3k.. i think that's a bargain.... since the new ones are 2600-2800 plus tax/dros without the wait.


Now for these off roster guns like the fnx and glock 43.....they selling them for double what a non cali pays for them.

[tbc]

^^^Haha, good analysis. But I was looking at the railed version.

Just trying to help

I am also thinking to sell my Colt Special Combat to switch to either a Pro or a Baer.

[Guapoh]

The TRP railed gun is essentially the same gun. It is also hand fitted by the pistol smiths in SA's custom shop with the hand engraved matching slide and barrel indentifiers to boot. It is great unit with same features marketed to the greater civilian market. You may find one sooner. You won't discern a difference shooting one versus the other.

[Chapped Hide]

The TRP railed gun is essentially the same gun. It is also hand fitted by the pistol smiths in SA's custom shop with the hand engraved matching slide and barrel indentifiers to boot. It is great unit with same features marketed to the greater civilian market. You may find one sooner. You won't discern a difference shooting one versus the other.

Not even close. There is absolutely no comparison between the TRP half rail and the Professional Operator other than that they are both half rails.

[Guapoh]

Not even close. There is absolutely no comparison between the TRP half rail and the Professional Operator other than that they are both half rails.

Okay. You win. Never mind what I said. Better not listen to what SA says about their guns either.

[AeroEngi]

Okay. You win. Never mind what I said. Better not listen to what SA says about their guns either.

The TRP is not essentially the same gun as the Pro. I don't know where you're getting your info from. The TRP has minor fitting and is a production gun whereas the Pro is a non-production, semi-custom gun.

[fennecfrank]

A pro always holds its value. At times, you get more than your money back.....

[fennecfrank]

[asphaltcowboychip]

The TRP railed gun is essentially the same gun. It is also hand fitted by the pistol smiths in SA's custom shop with the hand engraved matching slide and barrel indentifiers to boot. It is great unit with same features marketed to the greater civilian market. You may find one sooner. You won't discern a difference shooting one versus the other.

I have a full rail and my understanding is that they are considered semi-custom. The barrel is matched to the slide. Nothing else. I've researched these and they are (proffesionals) that is harder to find then Wilson, nighthawk etc. There are several different models, if it has a rail it's not going to be roll marked professional because a rail was not in the original features for the FBIs professional.

[fennecfrank]

I have a full rail and my understanding is that they are considered semi-custom. The barrel is matched to the slide. Nothing else. I've researched these and they are (proffesionals) that is harder to find then Wilson, nighthawk etc. There are several different models, if it has a rail it's not going to be roll marked professional because a rail was not in the original features for the FBIs professional.

Yes, a lot of components in a pro are hand fitted to the gun and they have last 3 or 4 digits of the gun serial number on them. TRP's, however, are not.

If I recalled correctly, the very first few ones are not called the "Professional", they were called the "Bureau Model". Springfield had to change it due to the name:




The regular ones have the "Professional" on the gun, the railed ones have "Operator" on the gun. However, all of them have serial numbers starting with CRG.



There're two other "professional" that don't have the CRG serial numbers. These are the "DEA" models and "HRT" models. These are only made for the corresponding agency/unit. If you ever find one, expect to pay a huge premium for them:

[vliberatore]

Buy a Les Baer, readily available and a much better firearm at less the price!

Why get a Baer when you can get a SR1911??

[trigger945]

I know that we are getting a bit derailed here (hehe, nice choice of word, right?), but the TRP may or may not have their parts matched. Springfield confirmed this. Even if they matched (frame, slide and barrel with the last 3 digits of the serial number), it does not mean that TRP's are semi-custom. There is little to no hand-fitting when assembling them. The TRP's, however, are patterned after the Professional model.

The term "Operator" is used by Springfield to denote a railed 1911. Hence, a TRP with a rail will show "Operator" on the left side of the slide, while a TRP without a rail will show "Model 1911-A1" instead. For the Professional model, "Operator" rollmark will be on the left side of the slide for the railed model, while "Professional" will be on the model without a rail.

Lastly, TRP Operator models have a bull barrel and the reverse plug, and hence, no barrel bushing, and also have the adjustable night sights. The Professional Operator has the standard-sized barrel, GI guide rod and plug, and has a barrel bushing and fixed night sights. The MC Operator is a "closer" replica (based on those aforementioned features) to the Professional Operator than a TRP Operator is.

[ddindetroit]

Status of Springfield Professional - light rail

First of all, I am not trying to start any rumor. I am just a little puzzled. So please hear me out.

The Springfield Professional LR is somewhat of a difficult gun to acquire due to its limited production number per year. Current wait time for a new order is months, if not a year or two. Is it then just coincidence that there are at least 3 in the marketplace right now? Some are even NIB per the ad.

I don't care about their asking prices - that is not the point of this thread. I am just wondering if something is up that makes some owners sell them around the same time. Maybe they know something that I (and most regular gunners) don't know?

Simple google search yields nothing unusual, just threads about how wonderful the handgun is, etc. Hence, I wanted to ask my fellow gunners if they can share anything.

Anything? Thanks.

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OK, I'll comment on this a little.

First of all it's a conspiracy personally on you OP's to mess with you! LOL!

All kidding aside, when I had conversation with Dave Williams, the director and head gunsmith at Springfield: the contractual agreement with FBI has kicked in. Specifically the FBI is asking for the maintenance portion of contract to be activated -- where people like Les Baer jumped ship. This promise takes a significant portion of the Custom Shops capacity away from making new Pros and custom pistols and explains the delay of up to 2yrs you see.

The Custom Shop is busy refurbishing and rebuilding shot out FBI Pros. The new guns are converted to railed versions and having the LR lasered etched to the serial number.

The FBI is not actually absorbing a lot of new Pros but the shop is preoccupied with the preexisting inventory of guns to service. Remember these agents are shooting thousands and thousands of full house loads each year. This activity wears out guns -- even the venerable Pro.

That is why these LR Pros are being released in batches and flood the market from time to time. Guys are buying them up and selling. This is the explanation to your question: "if something is up that makes some owners sell them around the same time."

The custom shop has changed how the elves 'make' the Pros now. The chassis of the Pro is basically at stations where one guy does a particular job. Personally that is not for me but I'm not the boss who has to pay the bills there. I think pistols lose their character when they make it like Henry Ford makes his Model T's.

Take care,

DD

[trigger945]

^^^Thank you for this.

[ultra01]

I have mine for sale in the marketplace right now, I actually sold several nice 1911's Nothing wrong with Rail Pro, it's a beast . I put 50 rounds down the pipe in over 1 1/2 yr and now with the birth of our baby girl I don't have time.
Also my price is better than most in market place...
Great blasters I've own both the Pro Nowlin and the rail version great 1911's and are harder to come by than most 1911's