Process in LA

[RestrictedColt]

I've read it but don't understand a few things. Is there an information source I can go to to fully understand the requirements, limitations, and process?

[Librarian]

I've read it but don't understand a few things. Is there an information source I can go to to fully understand the requirements, limitations, and process?

The CCW app?

Only part of the requirements (Penal Code 26150) are 'objective'. Things like 'good moral character' and 'good cause for issuance' are defined by local usage of the issuing agency.

Much of the process is also 'local usage', not defined in PC. PC 26160 says

26160.

Each licensing authority shall publish and make available a written policy summarizing the provisions of Section 26150 and subdivisions (a) and (b) of Section 26155.

[RestrictedColt]

Other stuff like: it appears that your signature has to be witnessed by an officer being that there's a line for the witnesses' badge number, but it's not stated that t must be an officer. It appears that you have to complete the safety course and state which weapons you want to carry in the application, but I've heard that you can apply then do that stuff after you're approved, if approved. As far as the weapons; do they have to be registered to you and do they need to be roster guns? Having guns that were gifted to me by my dad many years ago; can they be used? Could a BP revolver be used? I know a BP sounds nutty, but I'm honestly curious. It also talks about having a background check, but I didn't see it saying what exactly to do with that. There's probably a few others, that's just what's coming to mind.

I'm in LA county so I know it's a slim chance, but I can't really talk crap about the impossibility without trying first, just trying to figure out how much I have to commit to the process of being denied.

[Librarian]

1) Other stuff like: it appears that your signature has to be witnessed by an officer being that there's a line for the witnesses' badge number, but it's not stated that t must be an officer.

2) It appears that you have to complete the safety course and state which weapons you want to carry in the application, but I've heard that you can apply then do that stuff after you're approved, if approved.

3) As far as the weapons; do they have to be registered to you and do they need to be roster guns? Having guns that were gifted to me by my dad many years ago; can they be used?

4) Could a BP revolver be used? I know a BP sounds nutty, but I'm honestly curious.

5) It also talks about having a background check, but I didn't see it saying what exactly to do with that.

There's probably a few others, that's just what's coming to mind.

I'm in LA county so I know it's a slim chance, but I can't really talk crap about the impossibility without trying first, just trying to figure out how much I have to commit to the process of being denied.

1) Ordinarily there is an interview, and that would be conducted by an officer/deputy, and that person would sign.

(2), (3) are entirely up to the issuing agency.

4) Never heard of BP being approved, but I see no legal barrier to doing that.

5) Background check would determine whether or not the applicant might be a 'prohibited person', and thus ineligible for CCW. 'Live Scan' result would be returned directly to the issuing agency.

ETA - see also the LA thread http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=352761

[baggss]

Other stuff like: it appears that your signature has to be witnessed by an officer being that there's a line for the witnesses' badge number, but it's not stated that t must be an officer. It appears that you have to complete the safety course and state which weapons you want to carry in the application, but I've heard that you can apply then do that stuff after you're approved, if approved. As far as the weapons; do they have to be registered to you and do they need to be roster guns? Having guns that were gifted to me by my dad many years ago; can they be used? Could a BP revolver be used? I know a BP sounds nutty, but I'm honestly curious. It also talks about having a background check, but I didn't see it saying what exactly to do with that. There's probably a few others, that's just what's coming to mind.

I'm in LA county so I know it's a slim chance, but I can't really talk crap about the impossibility without trying first, just trying to figure out how much I have to commit to the process of being denied.

(2), (3) are entirely up to the issuing agency.

For 2 specifically, the PC states that you can not be required to take the training course before approval of your Good Cause:

26165(d) The applicant shall not be required to pay for any training courses prior to the determination of good cause being made pursuant to Section 26202.

Also for 2:

PC 26175(i) Any license issued upon the application shall set forth the licensee’s name, occupation, residence and business address, the licensee’s age, height, weight, color of eyes and hair, and the reason for desiring a license to carry the weapon, and shall, in addition, contain a description of the weapon or weapons authorized to be carried, giving the name of the manufacturer, the serial number, and the caliber. The license issued to the licensee may be laminated.

[CCWFacts]

First, understand that there's a huge difference between LA city and LA county. The county is highly restrictive (right now, although there's a new sheriff, so maybe it will change). The city is under court supervision and has certain categories which it must issue. If you live in the city of LA you should apply to the city.

Could a BP revolver be used? I know a BP sounds nutty, but I'm honestly curious.

The law allows it. However, look... it's not easy to get these permits. Asking to put a BP revolver on is going to make you look non-serious. Do you want to look non-serious in a situation where they have all the power and are looking for any reason to say no? They are going to have legitimate safety concerns about it too, as it's not a simple matter to unload a BP revolver if there's a need to.

If you're really serious about applying, put a couple of modern, unmodified, standard self-defense guns on your permit when you apply. Add more unusual guns later if you even get the permit. Don't try to add something that's completely unusual and unsuited for concealed carry like a BP revolver.

[RestrictedColt]

I'm not in the city, unincorporated LA county so I believe I have to apply to the Sheriff. I wouldn't try to use a BP gun, I was just curious.

My 'just cause' is probably too weak, but worth a try. My main concern right now is that I don't own any registered guns. They're all 'hand me downs' from dad that I think were bought before database registration was the norm so they probably don't exist in the system. I don't even know if they were legal for him to give me. He's dead so they can't come after him, but I'd hate to have issues and loose the guns and/or be found to have committed a crime by accepting them. Still researching on that and it's not been easy to find for sure what the cut-off dates were for doing legal paperless interfamilial transfers of long and hand guns.

[Jwalt]

If I was to try this, I would purchase a small modern on-roster 9mm.

It's not likely to succeed but there is no reason to give them an excuse.

I strongly suggest you contact an experienced attorney and pay for half an hour of their time to get advice about any firearms you may have inherited.

[Librarian]

I'm not in the city, unincorporated LA county so I believe I have to apply to the Sheriff. I wouldn't try to use a BP gun, I was just curious.

My 'just cause' is probably too weak, but worth a try. My main concern right now is that I don't own any registered guns. They're all 'hand me downs' from dad that I think were bought before database registration was the norm so they probably don't exist in the system. I don't even know if they were legal for him to give me. He's dead so they can't come after him, but I'd hate to have issues and loose the guns and/or be found to have committed a crime by accepting them. Still researching on that and it's not been easy to find for sure what the cut-off dates were for doing legal paperless interfamilial transfers of long and hand guns.

1991 for handguns, 2014 for long guns. See the wiki, http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in..._Firearms_Laws

After those years, for the class of guns, required to file an 'Operation of Law', OPLAW form; it's a misdemeanor to fail to do that.

Probably the most often-violated of CA's 'Dangerous Weapons Control Law'. We don't hear of any arrests for it.

[CCWFacts]

I'm not in the city, unincorporated LA county so I believe I have to apply to the Sheriff.

That's right.

I wouldn't try to use a BP gun, I was just curious.

Yeah... in LA you need to do everything possible to have a strong application, so stick to the standard, modern, high-quality self-defense pistols.

My 'just cause'

The specific term is "good cause".

is probably too weak, but worth a try.

It's going to need to be quite convincing in LA county. The previous sheriff hardly issued at all, and the new sheriff has made some noises that he'll issue more, but we dno't really know yet, and it's going to be quite restricted anyway.

My main concern right now is that I don't own any registered guns. They're all 'hand me downs' from dad that I think were bought before database registration was the norm so they probably don't exist in the system.

That means they are not modern guns. That's ok, but for a difficult issuing situation like LA county, you want everything possible to be in your favor and to appear that you have a serious self-defense need, so I would suggest having just one modern, standard self-defense gun, which would be registered in the system. You can register your dad's old guns, and that's fine to do, but if you have a serious self-defense need, then you should have a serious, modern self-defense firearm, and that's what should be on your application.

Again, LA county is a very difficult issuing place, although maybe there's some hope the new sheriff is slightly better than the old one.

[Notorious]

Not sure the new sheriff will be any better on CCWs. He saw fit to put he is a life long Democrat on his swearing in program. I don't care what is your political affiliation but that declaration causes me to wonder about the impartiality of the office to carry out the obligations in a non-partisan and objective manner as required for law enforcement. We should be politically aware but non-political in our jobs.

[Paladin]

Not sure the new sheriff will be any better on CCWs.

Neither are we, who produce the CA CCW GC map. Currently, all we have to go on are his campaign promises/statements that he will be better than McDonnell. That's why, although his statements could be stretched to yellow, we changed the map to only light red upon his taking office. See the bolded quoted statements at: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...2#post22426822

If we left LA Co dark red, few would try applying who wouldn't under McDonnell. Thus we're in a "chicken and egg" dilemma: make a change based upon just his statements and people apply when there's no real change, wasting their time and money, or not make a change when there's real change, so people who could get issued now don't apply because the map still shows dark red. Assuming, among the 10+M residents of LA Co, there are some CGNers who can afford to possibly waste ~$100 by getting a GC determination by Villanueva and posting about their experience, we made a slight, one color, change for now.

Plus, we eagerly await AV's updating/replacing/revising of the CCW on the LASD website. That too, will be factored in when deciding the appropriate "color" of LA Co on the map. http://lasd.org/ccw_info.html