San Bernardino

[SmokinMr2]

So...
When do we start going after the SB stuff that is not in line with state law?

My CDL is legal. I'm not paying the state to have it changed. I didn't ask them to put my PO box on it. Simple fact is I don't get mail delivered here, and the street address shows up when they run it anyway.
I have no interest in "references", although I could probably find enough.
Neighbors? My old ones should be fun. There's the dealer upstairs, or her customers next door...that's why the heck I moved out to the sticks.
I waited a year, and now I have to wait another...didn't turn in their green ap within 90 days. Maybe they shouldn't date stamp them. Maybe the state ap should be enough, and state fees as well.

Is the plan to wait until after the election and see who gets the job? Chances are slim to unseat a sitting Sheriff.
Besides, he's a good guy from what I can see. Just a little off in this one area.

[jaymz]

Okay, now I'm thoroughly confused. You're saying you have to wait another year to apply because you didn't turn in your app within 90 days, WASR10 said he didn't have to turn in his paperwork until he went to his interview, yet they are currently scheduling interviews for February 2013. Something doesn't add up here.

[SmokinMr2]

Okay, now I'm thoroughly confused. You're saying you have to wait another year to apply because you didn't turn in your app within 90 days, WASR10 said he didn't have to turn in his paperwork until he went to his interview, yet they are currently scheduling interviews for February 2013. Something doesn't add up here.

I picked up my ap in October when we moved up here, and sat on it a year figuring I had to have a year residency (I never did turn it in).

A few posts up, someone mentioned they had 90 days to get the paperwork turned in, or get new paperwork. EDIT Post #214 , looks like it was 90 days expiration on the letters, not ap. I may just call and ask. They shoulkdn't be time/date stamping them anyway.

I'll apparently drive back down, get a new ap and turn it in within 90 days and start my year wait because of the backlog. Make sense now?

I guess I should have asked if I could turn it in and then wait. I guess I should have asked if it had to be turned in within an arbitrary alloted time frame. I guess I guess I guess...

Meanwhile, it takes to long, cost to much, and there are still to many "Hoops" to jump through that are not within state guidelines. Maybe I should quit calling them guidelines. They are laws.
While I appreciate that SB will issue for self defence, and the extra stuff is probably not that bad, or at least better than most counties, it still really isn't good enough and is certainly not following state law.


I also "guess" I should have asked if I could schedule my interview without having my ap (paperwork) turned in as you stated WASR10 did at his interview?
That's a whole lot of guesswork. Maybe they should have said more than "Drivers License" and "Return it here" when I picked it up...

[jaymz]

Gotcha. My understanding is this: Get your app. Make an appointment. While yor waiting for your interview, get your paperwork done. Turn in paperwork at appointment. Once paperwork and background are complete, go to the training, then wait for permit. Somewhere in there is a Live Scan.

[WASR10]

Gotcha. My understanding is this: Get your app. Make an appointment. While yor waiting for your interview, get your paperwork done. Turn in paperwork at appointment. Once paperwork and background are complete, go to the training, then wait for permit. Somewhere in there is a Live Scan.

Yep, that's it right there. You get the Live Scan (and pay for it) at the interview. Wear your pretty face because you get your picture taken then too.

Meanwhile, it takes to long, cost to much, and there are still to many "Hoops" to jump through that are not within state guidelines. Maybe I should quit calling them guidelines. They are laws.
While I appreciate that SB will issue for self defence, and the extra stuff is probably not that bad, or at least better than most counties, it still really isn't good enough and is certainly not following state law.

Ideologically, you're absolutely correct. Obtaining an LTC shouldn't be anymore difficult than obtaining a CDL, and many of the requirements are (so I'm told) technically illegal. But jumping the hoops and waiting patiently got me my permit and I am happy with that result. I firmly believe the more people who do not let the bureaucracy deter them, the more people who carry, the more likely the procedure will loosen up somewhere down the line.

[SmokinMr2]

Yep, that's it right there. You get the Live Scan (and pay for it) at the interview. Wear your pretty face because you get your picture taken then too.



Ideologically, you're absolutely correct. Obtaining an LTC shouldn't be anymore difficult than obtaining a CDL, and many of the requirements are (so I'm told) technically illegal. But jumping the hoops and waiting patiently got me my permit and I am happy with that result. I firmly believe the more people who do not let the bureaucracy deter them, the more people who carry, the more likely the procedure will loosen up somewhere down the line.

I agree it should be easier, or at least should follow the law. That being said, if I was real concerned and felt a need, I could jump through the hoops, and would have at least turned in my ap in Oct. Here it is may already

I only "really" feel a need when I drive to Wal Mart in Victorville

[WASR10]

I only "really" feel a need when I drive to Wal Mart in Victorville

LOL

[Knauga]

I thought the "extra" stuff was silly and more than a bit invasive, but I still went through the process. Anybody who doesn't feel that the "extra" stuff shouldn't be part of the process, you can apply and point out how they are violating the law. You might even be able to get some assistance from the CGF folks (who knows), but complaining about the process being "illegal" preventing you from getting your CCW is silly. Waiting around for somebody else to change it is just like wishing in one hand and doing something else in the other and wondering why only one hand gets full.

So either apply as is, or work to change it, but complaining about it does nothing to help you OR fix the system.

[jaymz]

I'll be making my appointment on Monday. Unless the "Right People" advise against it, I won't be providing anything during my interview that is not required by law. If it results in an LTC, fantastic. If not, I'll have to make some phone calls/emails to CGF and discuss Plan B.

[Riflelover]

I'll be making my appointment on Monday. Unless the "Right People" advise against it, I won't be providing anything during my interview that is not required by law. If it results in an LTC, fantastic. If not, I'll have to make some phone calls/emails to CGF and discuss Plan B.

Make sure to let us know how that turns out for you.

[jaymz]

Absolutely. I'm not real confident that it will go smoothly, but you never know.

[Knauga]

I'll be making my appointment on Monday. Unless the "Right People" advise against it, I won't be providing anything during my interview that is not required by law. If it results in an LTC, fantastic. If not, I'll have to make some phone calls/emails to CGF and discuss Plan B.

Good luck. If you are going to take this approach do your homework. Try talking to some of the CGF folks on the board who might be able to give you some excellent advice on how to do it right.

[DocClark340]

[winnre]

You cannot carry in a FEDERAL building.

[DocClark340]

You cannot carry in a FEDERAL building.

So all county buildings unless posted? Hospitals unless posted????