Riverside

[Gray Peterson]

Read the last few pages of this thread to get an idea of where Riverside stands currently.

UPDATE (2015 March 14): Riverside has liberalized issuance, but still requires more than merely "self-defense" as a Good Cause statement. You have to flesh it out more, explaining why you need a CCW for self-defense. Best to read the posts from fall 2014 on to get an idea of what it takes, how to meet the standard. More details can be found in this other thread too:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=950315

UPDATE (2015 July 03):

One of the biggest issues currently facing Riverside residents when it comes to getting their LTC permit is the timeframe it's taking from the first call to getting an interview, and then from the interview to getting your permit.

Straight from the CCW unit, the biggest complaint is that people are applying with incomplete paperwork and required forms. Then, when they do send in stuff that they are missing they do it 1 piece at a time.

So here are the suggestions: Fill out everything completely before your interview, and take in everything that is required. Failing to provide paperwork that is required is a waste of time for everyone and will ultimately slow down your process and make it longer for everyone else.

If you are missing documents that are needed to complete your file, collect everything that is missing and send it all in at the same time. That way the deputies can pull your file 1x and enter everything that's missing. Having to pull a single file 5-6 times to enter one document is a waste.

UPDATE (2015 July 28):
Be sure to review the Good Cause statement discussion on p. 29 and following.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=352777&page=29

UPDATE (2016 Sept 06): The quote below is from: The Press Enterprise, "Why Stan Sniff, John McMahon and other sheriffs oppose gun control" (2016 Sept 03) (emphasis added): http://www.pe.com/articles/gun-81248...f-control.html

Sniff said that while he supports and encourages law-abiding residents to obtain concealed carry permits, “radical gun groups” believe he’s not issuing enough.

“The public still expects the sheriff to issue CCWs using good sense as well as reasonableness in making determinations of who is licensed and allowed by the department to carry loaded, hidden handguns into our public places,” said Sniff, who is a member of the National Rifle Association, the California Rifle & Pistol Association and Gun Owners of California.

[cindynles]

It looks like there might be a couple of issues with Riverside's application.

They are asking for a lot of suplemental information in addition to the standard application. (34 additional questions) For example: "Is there anything in your background that you are trying to conceal?" or "Are there other crimes you have committed, for which you have not been caught?"

They also require 3 reference letters.

[TurboS600]

It looks like there might be a couple of issues with Riverside's application.

They are asking for a lot of suplemental information in addition to the standard application. (34 additional questions) For example: "Is there anything in your background that you are trying to conceal?" or "Are there other crimes you have committed, for which you have not been caught?"

They also require 3 reference letters.

Is there anything illegal about that? I thought the Sheriff could require anything he needed to ensure that you live in their jurisdication, are of good moral character, and have GC.

I like the new portal. It is good to have someone keeping everyone honest regarding the process.

[cindynles]

My understanding is that each department is supposed to only use the standard California DOJ application.

[ale014]

anyone have a ccw in riverside? any thoughts on riverside sheriff's stance on ccw?

can't seem to find much info on calccw's site =[

[wildhawker]

anyone have a ccw in riverside? any thoughts on riverside sheriff's stance on ccw?

can't seem to find much info on calccw's site =[

Riverside is one of the friendlier counties.

My understanding is that each department is supposed to only use the standard California DOJ application.

That is correct.

Is there anything illegal about that? I thought the Sheriff could require anything he needed to ensure that you live in their jurisdication, are of good moral character, and have GC.

I like the new portal. It is good to have someone keeping everyone honest regarding the process.

Yes, all of it is illegal. Further, it asks questions specifically barred under state law and requires of the applicant the completion of additional forms.

[bluebaron]

Riverside is one of the friendlier counties.



That is correct.



Yes, all of it is illegal. Further, it asks questions specifically barred under state law and requires of the applicant the completion of additional forms.

Just catching up on this. Has a letter of complaint been sent to the Sheriff?

[Echidin]

Just catching up on this. Has a letter of complaint been sent to the Sheriff?

I was wondering this as well. Any updates would be appreciated.

[383green]

If it would be helpful for somebody to push the issue by applying to RCSO with "personal protection" as their good cause, refusing to submit the illegal reference letters and so forth, I'm willing to to that (work schedule permitting... grr). Even if it means certain denial when I could have gotten my permit by simply jumping through their hoops. I want my CCW, but securing the right for everybody else takes higher priority.

[bluebaron]

If it would be helpful for somebody to push the issue by applying to RCSO with "personal protection" as their good cause, refusing to submit the illegal reference letters and so forth, I'm willing to to that (work schedule permitting... grr). Even if it means certain denial when I could have gotten my permit by simply jumping through their hoops. I want my CCW, but securing the right for everybody else takes higher priority.

Think we'll have to wait on the experts to answer that one. Although, I personally would like someone to try that. I consider myself to be of good character but don't want to ask friends to vouch for me. Especially as most are quite anti gun ;-)

[hawk1]

Think we'll have to wait on the experts to answer that one. Although, I personally would like someone to try that. I consider myself to be of good character but don't want to ask friends to vouch for me. Especially as most are quite anti gun ;-)

Which makes me want to ask, what are the "experts" waiting for?

[383green]

Think we'll have to wait on the experts to answer that one. Although, I personally would like someone to try that. I consider myself to be of good character but don't want to ask friends to vouch for me. Especially as most are quite anti gun ;-)

I agree on waiting for the experts to answer it, and I assume that there are far worse counties that will need their attention first. I'm just putting it out there that if they expect to need somebody to do this in Riverside, I'm willing to hold off "applying to win" in order to help out.

[383green]

Which makes me want to ask, what are the "experts" waiting for?

There are far worse offenders among the 58 sheriff's offices, and we also have pending litigation. Have patience... they have a good track record in the strategy and timing departments, and a lot of their decisions are based on information that isn't public knowledge.

[hawk1]

I think my patience in this state has about run out. Especially after yesterdays vote.

[cindynles]

Well, I have my DOJ application filled out and:
-3 reference letters
-DD214
-Copy of birth certificate
-Coyp of DL
-Proof of residence
-2 passport photos
-$20 money order

I am going to call in the morning to set up my appt to submit my application.

I'm not turning in the "Additional Background Questions" though since it says "I fully understand that this information will be treated as confidential and, though not required, providing accurate information will assist in a timely completion of the CCW application process."

I'll post updates as I go through the process.