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  • ct78
    Member
    • Jan 2020
    • 393

    Originally posted by socal m1 shooter
    OCSD has a schedule of fees posted.

    You'll have to pay for a background check, a.k.a. LiveScan, which will include a rolling fee (at least $25) plus the LiveScan fee ($93).

    Training plus ammo (72 rounds for the first gun on your permit, 20 rounds for each additional gun) starts at $220 at Artemis, and if you travel, you might consider also paying an additional fee for AZ/UT and possibly FL.

    Many training vendors can do multi-state for you; Artemis charges $100 for that service, and you walk out the door with everything ready to drop in the mail (fingerprint cards, photos).

    All-in-all, you're probably looking at $600-$700 minimum, to get rolling, depending on what you have and what you need.

    Regarding the timing, the training certificate is good for six months, so it may be wise to apply first, and then get trained when OCSD says to do that, or (my preference) a month or so after submitting, but I am not watching the timelines in this thread very carefully, so do your own due diligence to inform that decision.
    Thanks for all the feedback. I confirmed the fee schedule with someone at OCSD. I went ahead, submitted my app, and got an appointment in November. That should leave me with plenty of time to get the training.

    I have heard good things about both Artemis and Apex Defensive Strategies. Both look comparable in price.

    To confirm, the appointment in Nov. i have is for the interview right? By that point I will have to already complete the live scan and training correct?

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    • Clippers015
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • May 2015
      • 563

      I had my interview this week, was moved up by 2 months which was great. Almost immediately after I got an email saying I am approved and that I would get a call to process payment. How long does it take to get that call typically? The email said I could try calling in to as well but the few times I called, no one picked up.

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      • 9Cal_OC
        Calguns Addict
        • Apr 2019
        • 6671

        Originally posted by Clippers015
        I had my interview this week, was moved up by 2 months which was great. Almost immediately after I got an email saying I am approved and that I would get a call to process payment. How long does it take to get that call typically? The email said I could try calling in to as well but the few times I called, no one picked up.
        Keep trying or give them a week to call you. But call if they told you to do so.
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        • Clippers015
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • May 2015
          • 563

          Originally posted by 9Cal_OC
          Keep trying or give them a week to call you. But call if they told you to do so.
          Thanks, will do. This was the email sent yesterday

          Congratulations! Your application for a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) License has been approved and is ready for issuance.

          We are offering the option to process your license via US Postal Service. A member of our staff will be in touch with you to process payment over the phone and the new card license will be mailed to you via US Postal Service to the home address on file. You may also call in at 714-834-7229.

          When it comes time to renew, it is your responsibility to submit a renewal application prior to expiration. Renewal reminders will be generated at 90 days prior to expiration. At that time if you have already submitted, you may disregard the reminder. To ensure that your license does not expire, you should start the renewal process no more than 90 to 120 days prior to the expiration date.

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          • socal m1 shooter
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2013
            • 1278

            Originally posted by ct78
            [...]

            I have heard good things about both Artemis and Apex Defensive Strategies. Both look comparable in price.

            To confirm, the appointment in Nov. i have is for the interview right? By that point I will have to already complete the live scan and training correct?
            Yes, the appointment is for the interview.

            Upthread, there is a video of Sheriff Barnes in which he stated that the firearms portion of the background check is running 8-10 weeks. I'm not sure how long that background check is valid for; maybe someone here can advise, or maybe it is posted elsewhere in the thread. Possibly the OCSD (knowing the average timeline these days) will provide recent/updated instructions regarding what's next?

            I believe the training certificate you receive from your CCW instructor is good for six months. If I was in your shoes, I would maybe schedule my training September-October sometime; others might suggest you wait until after the interview. I think it would be a problem if your training cert expires while you are in-process, so it may be unwise to get your certificate too soon. Others may have posted new-permit timelines in the thread which can inform your decision; it seems renewal timelines and new-permit timelines are not quite the same. Alternatively, I would have no problem calling/emailing my prospective CCW instructor(s) and asking them for their take: when to train?

            I've no personal experience with APEX but I know the folks at Artemis and they have their finger on the pulse, so to speak. That video of Barnes was shot at Artemis. Whatever they say is probably good advice.
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            • Wrldtrvl
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2019
              • 64

              Originally posted by EvolutionGSR
              I’m sorry I searched and couldn’t find the answer, but did OCSD update their policy on single shot exemption pistols on the permit?

              I have a SSE P229 on my permit no issue. No issue.

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              • Kestryll
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                • Oct 2005
                • 21580

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                I shall.
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                • The Electrician
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 681

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                  • 9Cal_OC
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2019
                    • 6671

                    Thought I’d cross-post SB918 below. If and when you do get issued, see changes to CCW application process for all counties and restricted areas. This just passed committee and will need to be voted on.



                    26230. (a) A person granted a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person pursuant to Section 26150, 26155, or 26170 shall not carry a firearm on or into any of the following:
                    (1) A place prohibited by Section 626.9.
                    (2) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a preschool or childcare facility, including a room or portion of a building under the control of a preschool or childcare facility. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent the operator of a childcare facility in a family home from owning or possessing a firearm in the home if no child under child care at the home is present in the home or the firearm in the home is unloaded, stored in a locked container, and stored separately from ammunition when a child under child care at the home is present in the home so long as the childcare provider notifies clients that there is a firearm in the home.
                    (3) A building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of an officer of the executive or legislative branch of the state government.
                    (4) A building designated for a court proceeding, including matters before a superior court, district court of appeal, or the California Supreme Court, parking area under the control of the owner or operator of that building, or a building or portion of a building under the control of the Supreme Court.
                    (5) A building, parking area, or portion of a building under the control of a unit of local government, unless the firearm is being carried for purposes of training pursuant to Section 26165.
                    (6) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of an adult or juvenile detention or correctional institution, prison, or jail.
                    (7) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of a public or private hospital or hospital affiliate, mental health facility, nursing home, medical office, urgent care facility, or other place at which medical services are customarily provided.
                    (8) A bus, train, or other form of transportation paid for in whole or in part with public funds, and a building, real property, or parking area under the control of a transportation authority supported in whole or in part with public funds.
                    (9) A building, real property, and parking area under the control of a vendor or an establishment where intoxicating liquor is sold for consumption on the premises.
                    (10) A public gathering or special event conducted on property open to the public that requires the issuance of a permit from a federal, state, or local government and sidewalk or street immediately adjacent to the public gathering or special event but is not more than 1,000 feet from the event or gathering, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through a public gathering in order to access their residence, place of business, or vehicle.
                    (11) A playground or public or private youth center, as defined in Section 626.95, and a street or sidewalk immediately adjacent to the playground or youth center.
                    (12) A park, athletic area, or athletic facility that is open to the public and a street or sidewalk immediately adjacent to those areas, provided this prohibition shall not apply to a licensee who must walk through such a place in order to access their residence, place of business, or vehicle.
                    (13) Real property under the control of the Department of Parks and Recreation or Department of Fish and Wildlife, except those areas designated for hunting pursuant to Section 5003.1 of the Public Resources Code, Section 4501 of Title 14 of the California Code of Regulations, or any other designated public hunting area, public shooting ground, or building where firearm possession is permitted by applicable law.
                    (14) Any area under the control of a public or private community college, college, or university, including, but not limited to, buildings, classrooms, laboratories, medical clinics, hospitals, artistic venues, athletic fields or venues, entertainment venues, officially recognized university-related organization properties, whether owned or leased, and any real property, including parking areas, sidewalks, and common areas.
                    (15) A building, real property, or parking area that is or would be used for gambling or gaming of any kind whatsoever, including, but not limited to, casinos, gambling establishments, gaming clubs, bingo operations, facilities licensed by the California Horse Racing Board, or a facility wherein banked or percentage games, any form of gambling device, or lotteries, other than the California State Lottery, are or will be played.
                    (16) A stadium, arena, or the real property or parking area under the control of a stadium, arena, or a collegiate or professional sporting or eSporting event.
                    (17) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a public library.
                    (18) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of an airport or passenger vessel terminal, as those terms are defined in subdivision (a) of Section 171.5.
                    (19) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of an amusement park.
                    (20) A building, real property, or parking area under the control of a zoo or museum.
                    (21) A street, driveway, parking area, property, building, or facility, owned, leased, controlled, or used by a nuclear energy, storage, weapons, or development site or facility regulated by the federal Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
                    (22) A church, synagogue, mosque, or other place of worship, including in any parking area immediately adjacent thereto, unless the operator of the place of worship clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size.
                    (23) A financial institution or parking area under the control of a financial institution.
                    (24) A police, sheriff, or highway patrol station or parking area under control of a law enforcement agency.
                    (25) A polling place, voting center, precinct, or other area or location where votes are being cast or cast ballots are being returned or counted, or the streets or sidewalks immediately adjacent to any of these places.
                    (26) Any other privately-owned commercial establishment that is open to the public, unless the operator of the establishment clearly and conspicuously posts a sign at the entrance of the building or on the premises indicating that license holders are permitted to carry firearms on the property. Signs shall be of a uniform design as prescribed by the Department of Justice and shall be at least four inches by six inches in size.
                    (27) Any other place or area prohibited by other provisions of state law.
                    (28) An area where firearms are prohibited under federal law.
                    Exception includes leaving it in your car should you be at a restricted place defeating the purpose of CCW:

                    Notwithstanding subdivision (a), except under paragraph (21) or (28) of subdivision (a), a licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location specified in subdivision (a) shall be allowed to:
                    (1) Transport a concealed firearm or ammunition within a vehicle into or out of the parking area so long as the firearm is locked in a lock box.
                    (2) Store ammunition or a firearm within a locked lock box and out of plain view within the vehicle in the parking area.
                    (3) Transport a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding their vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within a locked lock box in the vehicle’s trunk or other place inside the vehicle that is out of plain view.
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                    • BlackGiant15
                      Junior Member
                      • Jun 2021
                      • 1

                      My friend is in a similar situation as you. They advised him not to apply until they are able to provide the utilities and rental agreement with the OC address.

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                      • HDRoadGlide
                        Junior Member
                        • Jun 2022
                        • 30

                        Originally posted by Clippers015
                        I had my interview this week, was moved up by 2 months which was great. Almost immediately after I got an email saying I am approved and that I would get a call to process payment. How long does it take to get that call typically? The email said I could try calling in to as well but the few times I called, no one picked up.
                        My interview is coming up on August 2nd, can you share any info on the interview and what was asked and how long it took?

                        I submitted my application on 6/22 and did Livescan the same day (FBI and DOJ cleared the same day, firearms should clear early September). I'll schedule my training once I've done the interview.

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                        • mps9
                          Member
                          • Apr 2022
                          • 155

                          Originally posted by 9Cal_OC




                          Exception includes leaving it in your car should you be at a restricted place defeating the purpose of CCW:
                          so I should withdraw my application and save myself $600-700 it would cost between the training and various fees. But it feels like that is the goal here, to discourage the law abiding people from applying or carrying.

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                          • socal m1 shooter
                            Senior Member
                            • Dec 2013
                            • 1278

                            A couple of pro-2A lawyers discussed SB 918, among other things, in a meeting last night. Both were pretty sanguine that there will be litigation as soon as it is chaptered, meaning it will likely be a temporary impediment. I'm not a lawyer, take that for what it's worth. If they are correct, would you regret pulling your application when SB918 is found unconstitutional?

                            Cards on the table, I have a renewal training already scheduled and paid for, and I plan to renew as usual. Supposedly for renewals all OCSD needs right now is the training certificate and the fee.

                            They also admonished everyone at the meeting, "Don't be the test case who decides to defy whatever law is in effect at the moment to see what happens."
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                            • SoCalresident
                              Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 189

                              Appointments are booked until Dec.

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                              • artb
                                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                                • Feb 2014
                                • 1552

                                Draft a letter authored by the property owner verifying your tenancy, rental amount and length of tenancy. Ask him/her to accompany you to a UPS store and both sign before a notary.
                                If sensitive, you are applying for a California State License that needs to verify your residence.
                                It will cost $30 - $40 but will solve your issue.

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